Thoughts on music

[mudd@]

Pretty good reading about drm :)

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[War]-[eaD]

If it's not Metal it's not music... I'm sorry! :P:P:P

[Scrye]

-[eaD;65073']If it's not Metal it's not music... I'm sorry! :P:P:P

Sigh, must really suck to only like one genre.

[LordScallyWag]

why?

[slayer676]

Sigh, must really suck to only like one genre.

why should people follow to a society that only genarely sings about sex, drugs and banging the next whore, dont let me get started about the pill popping music :P

what im trying to say is people have a right to listen to what they want, dont diss them for it becuse you probley dont like the genre...


PS: METAL and ROCK are law...(to me that is, maybe not you:))

[enemyanemone]

I think it's impossible to dislike an entire genre.

Why not just differentiate between good and bad music. There is good (and bad) music in every section, from classic to hip hop.

It's like with food; there was stuff I used to hate, until someone prepared it properly.

edit: back to topic - I think that's a step into the right direction, the iPod just pisses me off with its copy protection. My girlfriend moved from cape town to europe, thinking she can take all her music along on the ipod instead of cd's. Couldn't get the stuff onto the harddrive without every single music file being renamed to some cryptic number.

[War]-[eaD]

Sigh, must really suck to only like one genre.

LOL! Thankfully I don't ONLY listen Metal... I listen to some mellower stuff as well... :P

[g5>@nn0n]

As long as there is a message to the music it is ok by me. During my teens is was the Harder the better , as I am getting more Mature :) things are becoming more mellower, but the most important aspect is definatley A MESSAGE and real instruments . imho

[]H[ellboy]

mmmmmmm I'm the undisputed music king here and if you only listen to one genre and defend it with your life you gotta expand man! Music is like wine, there is a different flavor for every occasion. I'm hooked on the good stuff like Chevelle, Soil, In Flames, Flaw and Stone Sour not to mention the eternal AC/DC and Metallica... BTW I have 16 DC albums :). But there is a time and place for everything just last night I was going on about how I love 80's music. I'll listen to almost anything except for Celine Dion & Billy Ray Cyrus... biiiiiggggg NO NO.....

[=_sNaKe_=]

As long as there is a message to the music it is ok by me. During my teens is was the Harder the better , as I am getting more Mature :) things are becoming more mellower, but the most important aspect is definatley A MESSAGE and real instruments . imho

Fair point. I listen to electronic music/pill-popping stuff (although I don't engage in such activities myself :D) I don't really listen to music for the message per se, since lyrically, trance songs are quite shallow. It appeals, however, to me on a different level ie just hearing all sorts of melodies converging to create something fantastic is brilliant, regardless of whether it employs "real" instruments or not, bearing in mind that a cup and stick could also constitute an instrument :P. I find that the notes used are more important than the actual instrument used.

But as you say :

imho

;)

[]H[ellboy]

Fair point. I listen to electronic music/pill-popping stuff (although I don't engage in such activities myself :D) I don't really listen to music for the message per se, since lyrically, trance songs are quite shallow. It appeals, however, to me on a different level ie just hearing all sorts of melodies converging to create something fantastic is brilliant, regardless of whether it employs "real" instruments or not, bearing in mind that a cup and stick could also constitute an instrument :P. I find that the notes used are more important than the actual instrument used.

But as you say :

;)


I assume you enjoy house then as well? Give the Soulcandi Sessions a go mixed by local DJ's and yup its lekker!

[=_sNaKe_=]

lol It depends on your definition of "House". If you mean it as defined by the rest of the world then yes, I do. But if you mean the Jozi definition, then not at all :P

[]H[ellboy]

lol It depends on your definition of "House". If you mean it as defined by the rest of the world then yes, I do. But if you mean the Jozi definition, then not at all :P

nope not that local type....

[Gozzy]

Sigh, must really suck to only like one genre.


lol I have to agree with u there scrye, because the metal headed ppl only have one tradition, I listen to basically everything and if PPL consider me "UNCOOL" coz I love trance a lot instead of metal then so be it, TRANCE ROXXORS, especially when ur smoking a blunt :P

[german_weasel]

regardless of whether it employs "real" instruments or not, bearing in mind that a cup and stick could also constitute an instrument :P. I find that the notes used are more important than the actual instrument used.


And i would assume that you would know anything about playing an instrument and what the Jazz/rock artists go through to create the music? How long they would have to study the Art? or do you think they just randomly bang the drums from a young age and "grow" into it?

Sure, there are those lucky few that was born with an instrument in their hands, but i have to tell you this. I've seen many live artists, jazz in fact, and many aspiring artist who have studied, but doesn't have the talent to move forward.

I listen to anything with instruments. I have nothing against the other genres at all, but if you imply that a mere cup and stick can be used to create music without any knowledge of the art itself is insulting and shallow.

We have recordings on video of my 2 year old nephew banging a tune on a bucket with a stick...I think i should sell it and make millions because in your opinion, it's music...;)

[=_sNaKe_=]

And i would assume that you would know anything about playing an instrument and what the Jazz/rock artists go through to create the music? How long they would have to study the Art? or do you think they just randomly bang the drums from a young age and "grow" into it?

Sure, there are those lucky few that was born with an instrument in their hands, but i have to tell you this. I've seen many live artists, jazz in fact, and many aspiring artist who have studied, but doesn't have the talent to move forward.

I listen to anything with instruments. I have nothing against the other genres at all, but if you imply that a mere cup and stick can be used to create music without any knowledge of the art itself is insulting and shallow.

We have recordings on video of my 2 year old nephew banging a tune on a bucket with a stick...I think i should sell it and make millions because in your opinion, it's music...;)


I do. I've played an instrument for almost half my life. The cup-and-stick argument was an obvious exaggeration behind a principle, but clearly you weren't going to catch on :P

You don't get it though. An instrument isn't as important as the notes you get out of it. In any event, most electronica "artists" use keyboards which are, funny enough, derivatives of.....the piano :D

You can play a song on both piano and guitar. Sure they'll sound different, but they'll still be the same song. To insinuate that only "real" instruments can make music shows a lack of the understanding of what constitutes music on your part ;)

[mudd@]

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[german_weasel]

You don't get it though. An instrument isn't as important as the notes you get out of it. In any event, most electronica "artists" use keyboards which are, funny enough, derivatives of.....the piano :D

If you read my post properly, you would know that i infact did state(better than you) that the instrument is not as important as the notes played on it. I just used it in a deeper sense. i.e.:

Sure, there are those lucky few that was born with an instrument in their hands, but i have to tell you this. I've seen many live artists, jazz in fact, and many aspiring artist who have studied, but doesn't have the talent to move forward.

And this adds to my point as well...

I've played an instrument for almost half my life.
So were good enough to join a successful band? OR were you good enough to create a band that with your "talents" would become successful?

An instrument isn't as important as the notes you get out of it. In any event, most electronica "artists" use keyboards which are, funny enough, derivatives of.....the piano :D

Hence the fact that I DID NOT say that electronica is not music...

You can play a song on both piano and guitar. Sure they'll sound different, but they'll still be the same song. To insinuate that only "real" instruments can make music shows a lack of the understanding of what constitutes music on your part ;)

I insinuated that? please read before you post. I was merely defending the genre i happen to like... MORE PROOF!

I listen to anything with instruments. I have nothing against the other genres at all, but if you imply that a mere cup and stick can be used to create music without any knowledge of the art itself is insulting and shallow.

U were the one who was disrespecting an ART, and insinuated that
"bearing in mind that a cup and stick could also constitute an instrument"

and please!

The cup-and-stick argument was an obvious exaggeration behind a principle, but clearly you weren't going to catch on :p

C'MON!!! Once again, you cannot "catch on"

"We have recordings on video of my 2 year old nephew banging a tune on a bucket with a stick...I think i should sell it and make millions because in your opinion, it's music...;)"

Are you saying that this wasn't an exaggeration? I just threw one back at cha;)

[=_sNaKe_=]

Wow, you've got an awful lot of time on your hands.

In any event, I must apologize, in that I seem to have jumped the gun. You know we have these arguments every other day of the week and I think my mind was still on the fact that you always bitch about electronica being "not" music and not using "real" instruments.

I'll apologize for maybe not reading your posts as thoroughly as I might have, but what I find remarkable and tremendously satisfying (on a personal level) is the following admission :

I DID NOT say that electronica is not music...


That's all I've been trying to get from you for about 2 years now :)

[german_weasel]

LOL! what a funny guy... OMG!, that means you never listened to me to begin with! I will tell you that i never ever said that electronica is not music and you know it.

I USED TO LISTEN TO IT!!!!! The only reason i stopped is because i liked rock more. That's it.

You are a liar, why wait for 2 years to hear something i told you over and over again

It's a lovely defense mechanism you have there, nice work, you read wrong, now you want to make up things as well.

The reason why we discuss music so much and debate genres is because we are both passionate about it and now when you misread my post, and i correct you, you want to lie on a public forum?

Shame on you!

"I am very disappointed in you...Very disappointed"

[=_sNaKe_=]

For about as long as I've known you, you've harped on about how trance isn't "real music" because it doesn't use "real" instruments. Now, I've apologized already for not reading your post properly, I have explained myself and for trying to drag my name through the mud, kindly go and fuck yourself ;)

[german_weasel]

Snake, if you do have any evidence supporting this, please upload it. That should sort it out. The fact that you are just mentioning things to drag MY name through the mud is totally unacceptable.

I cannot believe that you would go to that levels to make me look bad? U had no argument to begin with? Now you use vulgar language?

I mean, I could also say things like "SNake said so, and snake said that".
But what would that accomplish? There is no evidence supporting it?

I've been sincere and posted good arguments based on the topic, you however, decided to flame me for the smallest thing.

PLus, you tell me to go F*** myself? Very mature...

[=_sNaKe_=]

Everyone,

German_Weasel & I have discussed this topic in private and are in agreement that the hanging of dirty laundry and public accusations was wrong by both of us. We'd like to apologize for derailing the thread and getting all antsy, as it's not in the spirit of the new UZA and is disrespectful to everyone here.

Sorry again.

[Plato]

That was the quickest flame war I have ever seen.

I`d like to congratulate you both for settling it like gentlemen :)

More importantly:
What we find pleasing as music is actually relative to the times we live in. A rocker cannot say that electronica is a debasement of music anymore than a classical pianist can say that rock n roll is a debasement of music.

Music, like people and culture, evolves.

I do think that some parts of music are hardwired into us. I don`t think there is a person alive who cannot appreciate the tribal, primeval feeling one gets from a good drum beat :)

[LordScallyWag]

Trust me as a metal head i am not limted to what i lisen to, so i ask any one for a defernition of Music. I have one, and told it to an honours music majour, he composes music playes the paino etctec. He was genuinly impressed withh it, had had not got one like it at varsisty yet. I have a long chat to him about music, simialr topics as above, an if i was not so knacked from work(notice crap spelling), i could justify alot.
Anyways, with a defernition i can validate why i listen to the music I do. I understand culture as well(study it) and this also has huge impact on it...so any ones def. will be welcome. if u come close ill tell u ;)

[War]-[eaD]

Sweet onions... what the hell have you guys been up to... lol... nice to see that so maybe UZA people are into their music! :D:D:D

[Struma]

I say that any person can be a musician. A musician is an artist, like a painter or a photographer. Any person has the full right to become an artist. When that person becomes an artist, they can express their emotions, opinions, experiences, senses into their piece(s). This then becomes a song or a painting or a picture. It then comes to the point where who gives anyone else the right to say that what that artist has created is not a painting, song or a picture. If that artist has expressed themselves through a medium involving the human senses, he has done so with the intention to create something inspiring for himself and others. It does not matter if the piece becomes popular or not, it is still art. If another person does not like the art piece, they have the full right to not like it, but they have no right in saying that it is not a true form of expression and conclude that as a justified interpretation.
When it comes to music like rap, r n' b, and pop, the artists intentions of expression does not come through, because that music does not involve anything to do with expression. Singing about the value of materialistic things has nothing to do with the enjoyment of human expression and existence, it deals around the prefabricated crap that society focuses on and thinks is important.
The reason art is here is because it is the one way we as humans can express our inner thoughts and ideas through a medium that goes towards any of the human senses and thoughts. When art starts to deal with the ideas of fazed, unrealistic, greedy, egotistical fools, that is when we must realize what is actually going on. But that exact thing is going on right now with the popularity of Rappers and Hollywood.

I just hope that the majority of people that are now listening to music that is not 'humane' start to realize that the music they listen to does not challenge the creative mind and provokes thought, but founds a misinterpretation of reality within them.

[german_weasel]

I would like to give a special thanks to Struma for those truly inspiring words. I could not have said it better than you have.

[War]-[eaD]

Yar... well said Struma!!!

Just format your post a little next time! :P

Kekekeke!

[LordScallyWag]

Stuma, well played man well played. !st person to be on the right page.
so..
Music is an Artistic representation of emotion through sound.
that the definition, I refer you to struma's post for the explanation. its spot on.
:)

[Struma]

:)
thanks

[Rakshas]

Hehe, IF ITS NOT METAL ITS NOT MUSIC ... WarHead ... now thats a rather biased opinion :p

Im into Drum n Bass, Trance/Psytrance, House, Acid Jazz, Reggae, and generally anything u can enjoy listning too :D

Peace