Exploiting bugs in UT for benefit online [Archive]

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 17:21

This is not about aimbots or wall hacks or other external tools used to cheat.

It pisses me off to come online and have to play people who have gone into their ini setting's and done tweaking which they know are known bugs which do certain things to give them an advantage online.

Now I am not here to name anyone or point any fingers, but the cuplrit I am speaking about even confessed he knew that it was a bug and was exploiting it.

The exploit in mention is something to do with key binds of some sort. This firstly makes the character slide across the screen which makes it more difficult to predict and judge your opponent. In a normal game you know how to predict as you know the game, and how it works. With this exploit - it leaves you going 'WTF is he doing sliding across the floor' !?

Secondly it also makes the character raise it's hand when the user presses certain keys. This is a damage exploit, as you cant take damage or take a considerable less amount of damage.

In addition that raising of the hand is not normal in UT and it's a distraction to you since you're left thinking 'WTF is this dude waving at me while sliding across the floor'?!

This person is not the only one using this exploit and for a looooooong time now a member from one of the oldest SA ut clans has the same hand raising thing.... I wont go any further into it, none of my business.

Not here to make anyone innocent out to look like cheater, or accuse anyone of it.. but the person who blatently admitted that they knew it was a bug, and that: - words from his mouth:- "Why doesn't UT fix the bug? Tell someone who cares"..has totally pissed me off and this topic deserves to be posted.

Now sorry I wont ever be playing this person again and I strongly advise everyone to be on the wary for people u play online who 'slide across the floor with hand raised waving at you'

Sorry, in my books that's cheating - even if it's just a little bit. It's still cheating.

If tweaking UT to make your character take less damage and move differently to the way it was designed to be is not cheating then I dunno, we should just remove antitcc from the servers and we should all just install aimbots and that sort of stuff.

What's the point?

Karnaugh

26 Jan 2007, 17:55

I know exactly who and what you're talking about.

Two words. Link gun.

I even had some fun and haxed some latency onto the outbound of my connection, which triggers UT Comp to falsely improve your accuracy. Lolz @ link lockon.

Fucking cheaters....

LordScallyWag

26 Jan 2007, 18:05

Karn, is there also any way guys can "fiddle" with stuff like what you are saying (if i am understanding ok..) to make them either take less damage or just not die as fast over for over the net. I am not talking about those shots that dont register over on th servers, but something a little more sinister..?

Cripple-X

26 Jan 2007, 18:12

Well said Terror. I however, have no idea who or what you're talking about, but taking advantage of a bug is cheating plain and simple guys, shame on you. :(

CrazyBob

26 Jan 2007, 18:15

Yeah Jinx, good on ya for posting this. It is indeed shameful.

There's also another hack that someone told me he knew someone else was using... you can increase the volume of footsteps and other sounds that are far away, so you have a better chance of knowing where that person is/is going to.

I know who all the people are that you speak of as well of course, so it's less big of a deal when I loose to them.

enemyanemone

26 Jan 2007, 18:19

Nautilian

26 Jan 2007, 18:20

There's also another hack that someone told me he knew someone else was using... you can increase the volume of footsteps and other sounds that are far away, so you have a better chance of knowing where that person is/is going to.

This is a legal tweak, it is by upping your ambient sounds to a higher value, the only compromise is that you lose depth and direction of your sound.

Naut

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 18:25

enemyanemone

26 Jan 2007, 18:29

I can't imagine how it stops damage (hitboxes stay, don't they?), afaik it was only forbidden in official comps because it's only purpose is to distract players, thus being unsportsmanlike.

CrazyBob

26 Jan 2007, 18:31

This is a legal tweak, it is by upping your ambient sounds to a higher value, the only compromise is that you lose depth and direction of your sound.
Fair enough, but wouldn't it be swell if everyone just stuck to the same settings? Agg yeah, opinions hey, what can you do.

Nautilian

26 Jan 2007, 18:33

Don't know about the other 2 things you're talking about (especially the sliding..wtf) but the "handraising" thing is ok imo. All it's doing is a random taunt (that you can select from the taunt menu) bound to a key. All possible to do within the menu, no ini tweaking needed.

You do not understand the nature of this tweak. It is a user.ini tweak since you need to bind or create an alias to your movement keys. What happens is that you cannot see a players direction of movement, when their hand raises they become invulnerable while the hand is being lifted. The sliding factor comes into play that a taunt has a certain character action and movement has another. These two combine and form irregular movement.

I made a comment saying that certain things are not done in tournaments, I got a reply back from a player saying that “This is not a tournament.” This is true however rules are put in place for a reason. If you enjoy basketball and play the game for enjoyment you are going to play by the rules, you are not going to say a key shot counts as a 3 pointer just because you do not play in the NBA. The same applies to the game, follow the rules, enjoy the game and stop trying to be a CO%KSUCKER and trying to act like a smart ass.

Another thing that is really irritating me is player manners online. A lot of the time good players go around raping the newbies and never really cut them any slack, yet as soon as they are on the same team they call them names and throw out harsh comments. Better yet as soon as they start getting raped since they are getting a piece of their own medicine they are the first to say “Lame” or “What a n00b.”

Naut

enemyanemone

26 Jan 2007, 18:34

Fair enough, but wouldn't it be swell if everyone just stuck to the same settings? Agg yeah, opinions hey, what can you do.

It's a setting, that's all. You lose sense of direction therefor you gain more volume.
It's like saying why doesn't everyone play with the same key layout (same settings..).

You do not understand the nature of this tweak. It is a user.ini tweak since you need to bind or create an alias to your movement keys.

..Lol, yes I do Naut. In fact, I can remember being the person telling you alot of tweaks and then you writing guides about them :P (fps>85 etc..)
I've tried this "tweak" and you can still get hit while the hand is up. Plus, you don't necessarily have to bind it to the movement keys, you could have it as a seperate key making it legal again.
But I don't use it so don't flame me.

CrazyBob

26 Jan 2007, 18:42

It's a setting, that's all. You lose sense of direction therefor you gain more volume.

Absolutely, you're right, and I'm sure a jury would side with you :P

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 18:43

Thanks Naut - We were both on the server when the culprit admitted the bug and that he was using it. So no matter what anyone else here says, he's admitted it's something he's abusing, which in the long run is cheating...

CrazyBob

26 Jan 2007, 18:45

But I don't use it so don't flame me.
Lol, err, did I miss something?

Nautilian

26 Jan 2007, 18:46

..Lol, yes I do Naut. In fact, I can remember being the person telling you alot of tweaks and then you writing guides about them :P (fps>85 etc..)
I've tried this "tweak" and you can still get hit while the hand is up. Plus, you don't necessarily have to bind it to the movement keys, you could have it as a seperate key making it legal again.
But I don't use it so don't flame me.

Memory serves me correct I did give you credit for the FPS>85 tweak. You told me about other tweaks? I think not, maybe my memory is failing me.

Nobody is flaming here, but if you want to get all defensive that is your problem.

Naut

War]-[eaD

26 Jan 2007, 18:50

Another thing that is really irritating me is player manners online. A lot of the time good players go around raping the newbies and never really cut them any slack, yet as soon as they are on the same team they call them names and throw out harsh comments. Better yet as soon as they start getting raped since they are getting a piece of their own medicine they are the first to say “Lame” or “What a n00b.”

Ye man... seen this allot... it sux, if you can dish out the punishment, take it like a man aswell... and don't swear at the n00bies... we need more nice fellas on the servers... if they are playing shit who cares... give them time to learn the game... we all were noobs (Hell, I'm still noob)...

Where I do call people noobs or idiots is when, say a 4v4 is underway, and the game is tight, and some noob joins, and kills a few guys, and gets killed ALLOT, and everyone tells them to get the fuck out... they still stay on... that I can't handle... other than that noobs are kewl in my book! ;)

enemyanemone

26 Jan 2007, 18:51

I meant the "dont flame me" part for upcoming posts by others, relax :D

(think you heard the the load-up-3-rockets-pick-up-rocket-launcher-and-change-wepaons-and-walk-around-with-3-loaded-rockets bug from me the 1st time long long time ago.. :P :P :P ) but this sounds like geek talk lets cut it.

LordScallyWag

26 Jan 2007, 18:51

My queston still stands for some one to answer pls :)

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 18:52

Lol, err, did I miss something?

Nope 'he's only tried it' doesn't use it now anymore.

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 18:57

My queston still stands for some one to answer pls :)

It's a little complicated to understand what you've asked.. perhaps if you rephrase it better you'll find the answer young padawan :P

J1nX

26 Jan 2007, 19:02

afaik it was only forbidden in official comps because it's only purpose is to distract players, thus being unsportsmanlike.

Well playing against people who are unsportsmanlike and who use this distracting tweak is not what I and I am sure the community want.

Trust me, seeing the player slide around you in a duel is even more distracting, and once again is classified as cheating in my books.

Anyway, we all here know who are using these tweaks, and all I can say is 'shame on those that do'

No GG, GL and NO HF

Elco

26 Jan 2007, 19:40

Never heard of or seen this. Ok, well, maybe i don't pay enough attention when I play for my own good. Sounds like a pretty stupid keybind to me, but whatever.

AND

FPS tweak ? eh ?

cyghost

26 Jan 2007, 23:05

This is a legal tweak, it is by upping your ambient sounds to a higher value, the only compromise is that you lose depth and direction of your sound.

isn't there a limit to what is allowed? I believe in tourneys they check the rolloff number?

as to the waving thingie - I saw that many times and it was annoying as hell, but I never knew it actually gives an unfair advantage other than the annoyance
factor

(sliding thing I have not experienced - sounds weird tho!) :huh:

J1nX

27 Jan 2007, 00:21

I have a demo.... if anyone want's to see what I am talking about...

enemyanemone

27 Jan 2007, 00:57

yes please

Karnaugh

27 Jan 2007, 01:07

So we all agreed it's BS?

Rahzel, Manta, please stop fucking cheating.

Thanks.

sneaky

27 Jan 2007, 07:40

Not to mention its n00b and annoying as hell.

J1nX

27 Jan 2007, 07:57

So we all agreed it's BS?

Rahzel, Manta, please stop fucking cheating.

Thanks.

LOL - they're not the only ones using it...

yes please

SHIT ! somethings gone haywire with my autorec in UT, and for some reason my demo's have stop being saved for like a week now it seems... :/ I seriously didn't expect this. Anyways, Naut was spectating me duel - he saw the sliding.

GM<Jaymac>MF

27 Jan 2007, 10:03

Wow, I was wondering why so many people were suddenly hung up on those taunts...

But anyway, as I've said before about cheating; if someone has such a useless existence that they get enjoyment out of getting a few extra frags by cheating in an online GAME, then fine, let them. I mean, they obviously have some seriously deep seated self esteem issues, and in any case, it's only ruining their own game in the long run.

Plato

27 Jan 2007, 10:16

With regards to the whole auto taunt thing:

I`ve dueled those guys many times and it really wasnt an issue. The rest of their game is just as predictable and I didn`t find it offered them any advantage.

There really is nothing quite as satisfying as watching that hand go up, taunting you to come closer only for the n00b to run into your combo or flak ball. :)

Its seriously not an issue, they die just the same. Only thing is, in a close quarters battle, you have to watch his feet to see which way he is aiming.

Also I will not duel the person you are talking about Terror, because he often quits half way through a duel and swears like a little boy who just got a barbie for christmas when he`s losing.

If I can avoid playing on the team he is on, I will. He doesn`t have an inkling of sportsmanship. Fortunately he doesn`t play that often.

Booha

27 Jan 2007, 10:58

Can we just clarify who this person is?

DFFS

27 Jan 2007, 11:10

IT'S FIREFOX... for the love of Gawd..

g5>@nn0n

27 Jan 2007, 11:33

Do you think these thingee's can help me :) lol - jj

I know i still have along way to go in my game, but i have seen some strange goings on which frustrate the living sh1ts out of me .

DJRob

27 Jan 2007, 11:43

You know what I always say about players exploting tweaks or hacks and cheats is that these players are player who feel that they are supperior than the rest. They think that it makes them a better person/player. They think it gives them praise. They think... stupid things.

I got news for you cheaters - you nothing more than a nOOb looser! get another sport - and stop spoiling ours!

Cheating is for losers! drop your exploted tweaks or hacks and cheats and show that you can play - be a friggin man! If you can't play the game, practice or spectate and learn!

sadly I've seen what Terror speaks of - and to be quite honest - I usually leave that game immediately. I don't need my experience to be spoiled by another. I refuse to play with those who do these things. A global effort would enforce players like these not to cheat. Use the vote kicking button when they come online and knock them off the server.

Beyond that - I don't think changing ini files is to bad - as long as its within reason and its something everyone can agree with.

g5>@nn0n

27 Jan 2007, 12:05

I must just say that this matter is rather concerning. I try my damnest and on the odd instance take flak for being no0b and there are players that are taking advantage of these tweaks - damn. So maybe I am a little better than i think -rofl :).... I have been accused of using an aimbot once just cause i managed to get a few lucky shots ( My aim aint bad , but dudes i can't dodge and i think I am way predictable) _ but in time with my limited time online I will improve. Hence my tag [AB] is inprotest to all this crap that is on the go..

All this is IMHO

J1nX

27 Jan 2007, 12:52

I can give you dodge jumping lessons if u like ;)

Karnaugh

27 Jan 2007, 14:16

Plato, are you talking about this guy who quit on me because I picked up DD (even though he does it ALL THE TIME, and I actually took the timing away from HIM)

http://www.unreal.co.za/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1807&stc=1&d=1169900183

Shame I guess when his cheats don't work out he just quits.

Karnaugh

27 Jan 2007, 14:20

Has everyone seen this btw?

http://download.jubii.dk/csdiverse/cheaterlow.wmv

You have been warned

Plato

27 Jan 2007, 15:57

War]-[eaD

27 Jan 2007, 16:27

Lol... it's because he is a little child...

War]-[eaD

27 Jan 2007, 16:34

Has everyone seen this btw?

http://download.jubii.dk/csdiverse/cheaterlow.wmv

You have been warned

Hehehe... Seen this looong ago... but I laughed when I saw it again... funniest part is when the dude says "Take your damn computer" in such a high pitched girly voice... ROFL! :rofl:

Hehehe... the one I saw didn't show the people trying to scavenge for some working components... Hehehe! :D

opi@te

28 Jan 2007, 18:51

Its distracting, idiotic and definitely cheating.

Rakshas

28 Jan 2007, 18:56

Hmm, some very interesting views on this subject, and im suprised some ppl actually feel the way they do, except for same ofcours, he just looks at it as a challenge, and overcomes it. I mean, when Manta was using the binds, i didnt moan and groan, i asked him how he did it, and learned from him.

I have to say that every1 online has been incredably nice to me since ive started 2 months ago, yep its been 2 months already. And i got too know all the regular players, and even joined a clan :D who have really helped me out in terms of educating me in unreal tactics, ive even managed to meet some of the UT players down in Cpt, and really nice bunch all round. And im sure the rest of u quirky UT players out there scattered around SA are just as nice as the guys ive met, well at least they tell me so :P And looking at all ur pics online, i can kinda put u all into perspective, cause ive gotta admit that most of u looked totally different to what i imaged in my mind.

But enuf of that, what i find most disturbing is that u let these little things actually bother u. I mean, just take a look outside and actually think about all u have and how lucky u actually are, theres no point in hardening ur arteries over something so small, its a game for crying out loud, ppl are dying every day in SA and ur worried about some key binds in an .*ini file.I mean is the .*ini file wouldnt be there and editable if the UT creators didnt want their players to tweak it ? To explore the boundaries of the game ?

Worst off is that u actually let Firefox get to u, i mean when i first me the guy, i actually thought he was a nice guy, ok so he lied about his age, and called me a noob everytime i killed him, but thats wat young teenagers do, i mean if u had to play war3, u get that everytime u kill an enemy hero. But its a lot worse then "noob" and "gay wanker" etc etc.
Why not look at the situation as a challenge, IE: so this guy is exploiting, own him neways and prove to him and urself that it actually doesnt make a difference. You'll feel a lot better and ur prediction skills would have improved ? No ?

When i first tweaked my ini file, it was for shits n giggles, to see wat the reaction was, and it was a positive 1. Mainly that i shouldnt become like manta and his ways :P ( no offense manta ) but it was all good, and then FireFox did it and pissed everybody off, so now I look like the Bad guy. I think UT players are mature enough to look past it.

The only way to Handle FIREFOX is to treat him how he wants to be treated, like a 16/17 yr old teenager. Dont allow urself to think that he's a mature young man, cause he aint, hes a teen who pushes the boundaries to see how far he can take it, and too see the reaction he gets from us older guys, and he gets off when we get pissed off, so dont play his game, make him play urs.

And lastly, i use autataunts because then every1 knows that im Rak- , atm theres alot of spoofing going on, and i wouldnt want to be confused for some1 else, and i really hate it when ppl spoof, I always like to know who im playing, especially when the spoofer is telling me off.

All in all, the main aim is too have FUN, dont take the game so seriously, save that for life :P :D

Njoy
Peace

CrazyBob

28 Jan 2007, 19:08

Rak, I think you're getting it all wrong mate. It's not HUGE issue, but it can be easily avoided. You can write any issue off by saying it's just a game, but these little things can detract from the experience for everyone ...and for what?

J1nX

28 Jan 2007, 19:23

Pointing fingers is not the aim here. It's about speaking forth the fact that ALOT of people don't like the bugs you guys use. Change it if you want, leave it if you want.. Just don't complain when people suddenly start disrespecting you on the servers.

We all like a clean fun game, and the binds you guys are using are not being approved.

War]-[eaD

28 Jan 2007, 21:51

GM<Jaymac>MF

28 Jan 2007, 22:45

Wow Terror, that was one of the most intelligent comments I've read on this forum, and definitely the most intelligent with regards to this topic, and therefore I must declare that I completely agree with you!

Rak, you also make some good points and although there are more important things in life, and although this is just a game for fun, it is good that things are kept sportmanslike so that we can all get the maximum enjoyment out of the game.

Like Terror said, change them, don't change them, none of us really care that much... but don't be surprised if, after pwning someone, they still think they better than you because they didn't need the exploits to pick up their game.

Rakshas

29 Jan 2007, 00:00

Lol, this is just so funny :D

A few weeks ago this wasnt even an issue,it was cool. and now this, like wat happened ?

"Just don't complain when people suddenly start disrespecting you on the servers".

Now its threats and about disrespect ? Lol, that sounds so childish.

Last i checked i was a good friendly guy, and now its become this ?
Ppl can change in an instant i suppose.

Peace

J1nX

29 Jan 2007, 00:10

First please get your facts straight.

This has been an issue since it arrived, and I remember when Manta first started using these binds, Nautilian told him outright that is was a a load of bullshit and that he should lose them.

Secondly there have been no threats to you or anyone else about this matter so don't say shit like this.

No need to get yourself all worked up and overly sensitive about this topic, everyone here gets on with you, and you have a good attitude on the servers also.

You should take the advice given here and disable those binds. I don't need to explain why, the answer lies within this thread.

enemyanemone

29 Jan 2007, 02:04

Lol, this is just so funny :D

Yep, if you read this forum for a while you'll see it follows some sort of pattern. Soon (i guess when ut3 hits the shelves) there will be a discussion about how brightskins suck (goes as far as being cheating), then everybody will hate terror again, then everybody hates eachother and then there will be a wussy thread about how everybody should be friends, forum gets moderators and it all starts again :D

edit: oh and every 4 months or so there'll be a poll that lets you vote which of the 42 guys suck teh most :P

GM<Jaymac>MF

29 Jan 2007, 07:03

Hehehe... pretty much.

Anyway Rak, no one's threatening you here. Just chill out and play the game the way you want to. If you need the binds in order to play the game, then fine, go ahead and use them.

cyghost

29 Jan 2007, 09:05

actually I think things have been amazing here for tthelast two months at least

hatts off to everyone involved :D

J1nX

29 Jan 2007, 11:17

then everybody will hate terror again

:/ I don't think that'll happen....

Boogeyman

29 Jan 2007, 13:37

yawn

Gamos

29 Jan 2007, 13:48

Syzygy78

29 Jan 2007, 14:29

yawn

you're a disgrace to adminship ;\

Its actually a serious issue... I find it highly irritating and rediculous

AdV3nt

29 Jan 2007, 15:48

Cheating is in reality for noobs, because it decreases the amount of skill required (lol stating the obvious) i dont have time for cheaters even talking about it is a waste of my time which could be used constructively. I've experienced the hand taunt a few times too!

As for unsportsmanship its just not cool and quite frankly its childish and sets a bad example, although i myself have not fallen victim to this kind of treatment as of yet and i guess thats just because i got to play against the real 1337(good okese) :) and YES that means everyone i've ever duelled :D, you'll never see me treating someone like a nob no matter what they've done or how much they may suck

Boogeyman

29 Jan 2007, 16:16

you're a disgrace to adminship ;\

Its actually a serious issue... I find it highly irritating and rediculous

YAWN

/me slits his wrists since he discovered he is an ADMIN :eek:

LordScallyWag

29 Jan 2007, 18:58

Ok so tell me guys, what u see as auto taunting.
for me its a setting that someone has enabled, which when they kill you there character insults you with a verbal taunt, and the character window shows on the left hand side of the screen.
The current issue is with binding movement taunts, to movement keys in the ini files.
Persoanlly i hate autotaunting, when i noob gets a grenade kill on you once you have been hit solidly by a better player and his character choones u something like "die Bitch".
I know i am abit late on the agrument but i just want to clarify.

Karnaugh

29 Jan 2007, 19:05

You can disable hearing auto-taunt messages client side.

GM<Jaymac>MF

29 Jan 2007, 19:14

Scally, auto taunting as what you have just descirbed, and apart from being a little irritating, there is nothing essentially wrong with it. What we are talking about here is when someone explicitly edits their ini file in order to make their character do one of those hand waving taunts ingame, as well as some other funky stuff to make the character slide around (as opposed to run arround properly.) That's the difference.

And yes, as Karn says, you can turn off auto taunt, and you may as well because it adds nothing to the game (unless of course you like hearing stupid random comments over and over again. :P )

LordScallyWag

29 Jan 2007, 19:20

then i need to turn that off, ill find that one out. shot boys.

korpse

29 Jan 2007, 20:14

Consoles - the competitive scene of the future. No ini messing about, a level playing field regarding hardware and controllers, same graphics settings, same fps, same everything - it just makes more sense.

Mostly agree, but you get cheaters in every walk of life. Three words for you: Ad (http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/30/team-xtenders-xfps-reviewed/). Van (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/27/xfps-lets-you-use-keyboard-mouse-on-the-360/). Tage (http://kotaku.com/gaming/clip/clips-xfps-mouse-and-keyboard-360-controller-223841.php).

Plato

29 Jan 2007, 21:12

Consoles - the competitive scene of the future. No ini messing about, a level playing field regarding hardware and controllers, same graphics settings, same fps, same everything - it just makes more sense. :D

<runs to play GoW> ;)

There goes the pimp trying to tempt you with the wares :P

I will say this: GoW has THE best co-op play I have ever experienced. Only thing that sux a bit is the ragdoll physics of the dead doods.

You barely touch him with your blood stained boot and he goes flying half way across the room. <- A bit exagerated but you get the point.

Also my friends and I found a way to chainsaw yourself. You don`t actually get hurt but you run around squirting blood everywhere for a few seconds, its pretty funny :P

Elco

30 Jan 2007, 00:25

But enuf of that, what i find most disturbing is that u let these little things actually bother u. I mean, just take a look outside and actually think about all u have and how lucky u actually are, theres no point in hardening ur arteries over something so small, its a game for crying out loud, ppl are dying every day in SA and ur worried about some key binds in an .*ini file.I mean is the .*ini file wouldnt be there and editable if the UT creators didnt want their players to tweak it ? To explore the boundaries of the game ?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Please spare me with the grade 7 logic. The very fact that you reply to this topic proves that you actually don't give a flying fuck about the people dying either but raul into this forum high and mighty trying to teach us a lesson or something. Please, fuck off, idiot.

Read the posts, then reply.. and don't talk bullshit.

Rahz3l

30 Jan 2007, 00:40

So we all agreed it's BS?

Rahzel, Manta, please stop fucking cheating.

Thanks.

Karn ******, ITS NOT ME!!!!!
I have never done that sliding shit. I got my ut settings from 1 of the 42 boys long ago. I changed them, even sent my conifg etc to jinx and he even said i wasnt using any form of cheating. so plz KARN GO AWAY .
poes! :mad: :smack:

Macera

30 Jan 2007, 06:05

Well Rahzel buddy, I'm not entirely sure, but if your name is ZT Rak ingame, then I sadly have to agree with Karnaugh that you are guilty, as far as I understand this thread, one of the issues is auto taunting, which I do find quite distracting to aim at, and I have seen you do it, the sliding thing, I'm not sure of, but the taunt thing, yes I have seen you do it :(

If your not Rak, then no worries :P

If you are, I agree that your guilty to these accusations, but im not calling it cheating, merele an...inconvenience.

Manta

30 Jan 2007, 07:32

Karn you pathetic fuck up, ITS NOT ME!!!!!
I have never done that sliding shit. I got my ut settings from 1 of the 42 boys long ago. I changed them, even sent my conifg etc to jinx and he even said i wasnt using any form of cheating. so plz KARN GO AWAY.
poes! :mad: :smack:

Wat, IT was you Rahzel, i saw you and then, u waved your hand at me! Joking man :) never seen you do it :)

Second :) Imho, if theres a bug in a game, I'm gone Use it till it gets Fixed, it clearly gives you a advantage. and to me, its all about winning.

second, i never exp the dmg factor. alto i did exp that my Balls would not DO dmg when i shot them same with other weapons. ( while my Taunt-binds was still "on" )

but i stoped using them not because of it being a "cheat" but its not allowed at UT comp, im a copetative guy. Just know, when your close to me in a Duel and im taking out my RL, im gona Wave you good bye! ;)

Manta Hope's UT2k7 will have good Taunt!

Karnaugh

30 Jan 2007, 07:40

So much for our flame free forum

opi@te

30 Jan 2007, 07:54

ROFL.

This is like trying to justify boybands. Sure other ppl listen to it. Yes has to be called music to some degree. Everybody knows it is totally fucking ghei but we cant stop you listening to it.

[N]Haja

30 Jan 2007, 07:58

opi@te, you have crossed the line! Boy's to Men is the shizzle.

Gamos

30 Jan 2007, 08:31

Korpse, the consoles will be supplied by the competition sponsors, so no pre-loading of any cheats, same TVs etc.

There are no 400 dpi vs 2600 dpi mice, no ini hacks, no disabling this and that, all the same level playing field. I really think it makes a much better argument for true skill than the usual "best ini wins" mentality.

If only controllers didn't suck so hard for FPS game huh? ;)

[N]Haja

30 Jan 2007, 09:02

I saw a pic of the PS3 the other day, does it really have the same controller as the first two consoles? I mean sure, it is an iconic control, but for R5000 + surely you can get a controller made this centuary? BTW, PS3 out in SA yet *crawls back under rock*

Gamos

30 Jan 2007, 09:18

March 23rd. R6500. ;)
http://www.cna.co.za/Pages/Catalogs/ProductListing.aspx?GroupName=Multimedia&CategoryName=PS3_preorders&productID=1005&variantID=1005&PLCT=1005

german_weasel

30 Jan 2007, 09:27

I personally feel that there's nothing to gain out of using cheats. I didn't even know that that hand thing was a cheat. Sure I saw it a coupla times, but IMHO, i feel that the ppl can use those cheats or whatever in a DM.

If i can frag his ass, then that just makes me a better player, and when i do duel someone who plays fair, i'll be more prepared.

If you cheat, you make better target practice...

GM<Jaymac>MF

30 Jan 2007, 11:10

Well Rahzel buddy, I'm not entirely sure, but if your name is ZT Rak ingame, then I sadly have to agree with Karnaugh that you are guilty.

No Mac, that's Rakshas. Rahzel is someone else. :)

This is just like how JayMac and JayMan sometimes get confused. JayMan is someone else.

CrazyBob

30 Jan 2007, 11:29

Yeah... Rakshas plays as Rak- usually.

Rahzel plays as NoToRaz or flakk.

Karnaugh

30 Jan 2007, 12:46

Rahzel plays as NoToRaz or flakk.

Most of us are well aware of that.

Please note me not retracting my former statement.

Purple_H@ze

30 Jan 2007, 13:27

Wat, IT was you Rahzel, i saw you and then, u waved your hand at me! Joking man :) never seen you do it :)

Second :) Imho, if theres a bug in a game, I'm gone Use it till it gets Fixed, it clearly gives you a advantage. and to me, its all about winning.

second, i never exp the dmg factor. alto i did exp that my Balls would not DO dmg when i shot them same with other weapons. ( while my Taunt-binds was still "on" )

but i stoped using them not because of it being a "cheat" but its not allowed at UT comp, im a copetative guy. Just know, when your close to me in a Duel and im taking out my RL, im gona Wave you good bye! ;)

Manta Hope's UT2k7 will have good Taunt!

This is the most dissapointing albeit unexpected thing i have ever read. From all of the online players, who have given their best in the game, YOU go and do this?

It saddens me to admit that i have lost ALL respect for you... until you can play like everyone else, your nick is in fact manta and not Manta. It really disgusts me that you can so blatantly disregard the high reputation this game holds.

You amount to nothing more than a cheater manta.

Rahz3l

30 Jan 2007, 14:01

Most of us are well aware of that.

Please note me not retracting my former statement.
LOL! shame..... acctually i dont care, you play like what twice a week if not less. GOOD! Get your shit straight bfore accusing me. ;)

thx cbob for clearing things up.

Karnaugh

30 Jan 2007, 14:16

LOL! shame..... acctually i dont care, you play like what twice a week if not less.

Yup. Not even twice a week. I don't cheat either, and I still beat most people.

CrazyBob

30 Jan 2007, 14:25

This is the most dissapointing albeit unexpected thing i have ever read. From all of the online players, who have given their best in the game, YOU go and do this?

It saddens me to admit that i have lost ALL respect for you... until you can play like everyone else, your nick is in fact manta and not Manta. It really disgusts me that you can so blatantly disregard the high reputation this game holds.

You amount to nothing more than a cheater manta.
Yeah man, I'm rather disappointed too, shame on you manta.

AdV3nt

30 Jan 2007, 14:58

OMS guys calm down!!!

Look forward not behind (lol cant remember how that goes) i understand that it may be cheating but i think all of you should calm and talk about it properly!

Even i have experienced this but they did not do it when it would be to their advantage, and the guys that do do it please rather learn to play without them.

I remember when i was young and played starcraft for the very first time (it was practically the first game i played), being young and naive i used cheats thinking that it would make the game easier for me and a bit more interesting but alas while making it did make the game easier it utterly destroyed my passion for the game. Am i the only one who thinks that cheats destroy the overall experience and the thrill of knowing that you can do better.

german_weasel

30 Jan 2007, 15:42

Am i the only one who thinks that cheats destroy the overall experience and the thrill of knowing that you can do better.

Nope, Cheats dulls a game totally. What i can remember though is the DOOM and DOOM II cheats from way back as well as the warcraft cheats :)

yeah, i cheated, but only after i clocked the game the hard and the only way it should be clocked.

opi@te

30 Jan 2007, 15:54

Karn do you have proof of that at all?

J1nX

30 Jan 2007, 16:22

OMFG Manta.... that's the most shameful thing you could have EVER said, and it's even more shameful on your Clan and their REPUTATION.

Sorry, my points been proven by Manta, and he's validated that these are bugs and people are exploiting them for their 'Winning' benefit.

He even disabled them 'apparently' since he now knows you can't use them in legit Comps.... which means he was using them and knew about it. I applaud Manta for disabling them, but the comment about abusing them was a little harsh.

Manta

30 Jan 2007, 16:25

This is the most dissapointing albeit unexpected thing i have ever read. From all of the online players, who have given their best in the game, YOU go and do this?

.....ALL ......manta ... ....

.....manta.

I think i resent that!

remember i said in my post
but i stoped using them not because of it being a "cheat" but its not allowed at UT comp, im a copetative guy.

When you meet me on the battle-field, im gona pay you back for calling me manta in public, and secondly, if you see me "cheating" in any one fo my Games ^^ please be sure to tell em about it!

Manta ..g-ne,,,,get....PH, Dagger. ... CrazeBoB ....,:rocket:

CrazyBob

30 Jan 2007, 16:43

Lol Manta, you're a nutta :P

So it does seem that everyone has stopped using 'em hand-gestures then, awesome :D

GM<Jaymac>MF

30 Jan 2007, 16:51

Yay for Manta! :D

J1nX

30 Jan 2007, 16:59

This thread has done something useful then.

My work here is done.

MWuhhhaahahahaaaahhahhhh wheeze !!@!11!3!!2!@

Manta

30 Jan 2007, 17:44

I'm still gone get you,, all of you,,, manta callers!! Ill GET YOU!

Manta!!!!!

Elco

30 Jan 2007, 18:23