Outbursts, Episodes and Unacceptable Play

[Cataphract]

Dear Community

Rather crude language is quickly finding its way back onto the servers.

Please note that the rules are not going to be relaxed.

I have noticed however, that in some cases the anger was directly related to (or provoked by) gratuitous spawnraping and spawn camping.

I find this more offensive than swearing, quite honestly, but it is very difficult to monitor. I get spawnraped a good deal but I don't believe anyone should be a judge in their own case. I just live with it.

However, I do want to appeal to all members to play this hooligan's game like gentlemen (and the occasional lady) and not to intentionally or gratuitously drive each other up the walls or, heaven forbid, away from the game.

Cheers

CAT

[Syzygy78]

I think many people become accustomed to the way we converse on these forums and drag the bad language into the game ;p

[zero-1]

You saying people swear cause they get spawn raped? its part of the game, get real.

swearing is a problem, spawn raping/camping etc is not and never should be. It can be avoided. ppl who swear because of it are, quite frankly, noob.

[cyghost]

the only unacceptable play I can think of is haxing

the rest is all good

[JKR]

You saying people swear cause they get spawn raped? its part of the game, get real.

swearing is a problem, spawn raping/camping etc is not and never should be. It can be avoided. ppl who swear because of it are, quite frankly, noob.

Pretty much says it all.

I made of one my legendary polls about this a few months ago: 27-5 agreed Spawn Raping was part of the game. Just adapt to it.

[Scrye]

So now if you "catch" someone spawnraping, what will you do?

Ban them for possibly provoking foul language?

[Peon]

So now if you "catch" someone spawnraping, what will you do?

Ban them for possibly provoking foul language?


Muhahahah.....'possibly'

[StoneDog]

http://www.explosm.net/comics/55/

[The_Basilisk]

Go fuck yourself.

[cyghost]

that's crude language right there methinks

[JKR]

sigh

[Acid Burn]

JKR that is not cool man u are going to get alot of flack about your post :(.

[MaXimus]

<bsk> I was going to write a long defense of freedom of expression
<bsk> but then I thought "fuck it"
<bsk> and wrote "go fuck yourself" instead

What, you mean "go fuck yourself" isn't a long statement of the freedom of expression?

[Gamos]

Jeez guys, all Cat is asking is don't be an a-hole.

[Acid Burn]

Gamos u filled the hole, ok now who has the A, i saw it lying around here somewhere. ;)

[GM<Jaymac>MF]

swearing is a problem, spawn raping/camping etc is not and never should be. It can be avoided. ppl who swear because of it are, quite frankly, noob.

Agreed.

[JKR]

Acid huh? what post?

[Syzygy78]

anyway, I support Cataphract 110% ;>

I know how it is when you have someone on the server swearing at you like a mofo trying to get you to leave, its not on.

[Karnaugh]

part of the game my arse.

I left the server last night because in a TDM game the entire team was camping out a spawn point with rocket launchers and flack canons (suggesting they had actualy come all the way from the other end of the damn map just to get their rape on)

If you're that lame go play CS.

I'm glad you can avoid 3 people tripple loading at you at the same time assault rifle or not. Even if you do you get away you have 10 HP and get sniped half a second later.

[Cataphract]

So now if you "catch" someone spawnraping, what will you do?

Ban them for possibly provoking foul language?

Nope. Unfortunately sooner rather than later I'll have to stop turning a blind eye to the people who get upset and swear. And the feeling I have is that its not entirely their fault.

[gizzlo]

all that cat is saying is that if you swear and he is there and c's it you wil be ban.
right Cat ?

[[N]Haja]

I will do the same, if you guys use the nasty words, prepare to pay the penalty.

[Scrye]

all that cat is saying is that if you swear and he is there and c's it you wil be ban.
right Cat ?

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[sneaky]

No excuse for being obscene

[Draven]

Go fuck yourself.

It must be the lag, cause I think I missed a couple of frames there..

Is Enhanced Netcode on?

[GM<Jaymac>MF]

We are becoming more immature as time passes.
Let's just play the game, have fun and TRY not be idiots about it.

[Wh1tE_Tr4sH]

Dude, thats easier said than done!

IMHO if you going to swear cause someones spawning you then screem at the screen. As Z-1 said it's part of the game, learn to get through it... i.e. PLAY BETTER!!

[GM<Jaymac>MF]

Ye...I agree, that's what I'm talking about when I say that people are getting immature.

I personally don't see how vomiting out one's swearwords into cyberspace are going to be of any benefit. Let them stay in your own bedroom... please.

[Crazychic]

Fully agreed....... scream at the screen..... bang ur mouse and keyboard..... but ...... be nice to the people on the serverside....... Its only a game after all.

[=_sNaKe_=]

Its only a game after all. Ha! Lies!

[]H[ellboy]

does the game not have a ESRB rating for blood & violence? also does it not say online play might differ? Meaning people will be spawn raping and swearing? I don't mind it if okes swear but I do know there are some young kids playing the game with the permission of their parents so some of the language needs to be toned for sure as for the spawnraping.... who cares....

[Scrye]

H[ellboy']does the game not have a ESRB rating for blood & violence? also does it not say online play might differ? Meaning people will be spawn raping and swearing? I don't mind it if okes swear but I do know there are some young kids playing the game with the permission of their parents so some of the language needs to be toned for sure as for the spawnraping.... who cares....

Never thought I'd do this, but;

<3

[]H[ellboy]

Never thought I'd do this, but;

<3
I'm not versed in l33tspeek so wtf does <3 actually mean?

[Scrye]

It's a heart, Andre.

[[N]Haja]

nope, its a broken heart :)

[<A>FluX.v2.0]

no that would be </3

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[The_Basilisk]

I just have to laugh when people get offended by swearing. You do realise that linguistic symbols are entirely arbitrary, right? You do know that "shit" means exactly the same as "poo", and "fuck" exactly the same as "have sex" (when used as a verb), don't you? Actually, if we're going to get technical (which I am), neither "shit" or "fuck", when used as exclamations, mean anything other than "strong expression of annoyance, laughter, astonishment, etc" - and there's nothing "obscene" about that, now is there?

Sex, for example, is no longer a taboo topic in our society, yet the word has retained its pejorative qualities from older dialects of English. The same applies to certain words in most modern languages. If you're offended by "fuck," you're being irrational, unless the idea of sex truly disgusts you (in which case you have far bigger problems than "crude language").

[mudd@]

Basilisk - when you go to your next/ future job interview:

Please throw in a couple of F- words

I am sure your prospective employer will share your point of view on linguistics.

[Karnaugh]

My current employer didn't give a shit...

I think you'll find that very few would mind, unless they are people you probably don't want to work for anyway.

[JKR]

As correct ask bsk is, in society it's simply treated as a form of disrespect. If fuck and shit didn’t exist, there would be others words to replace them. Their insinuations are what piss people off, not the actual phrase used.

There's also the use of these words which can get fuzzy online. When a person tells you to Fuck off irl, depending on their tone, it can be a total joke or very serious.

And unfortunately because this 'tone' doesn’t exist online, many people just take swearing seriously by default.

[The_Basilisk]

Mudda: So, essentially, we should carry on doing something because that's the way it's always been done, right?

Firstly, for a job interview you would use formal standard English, which excludes a large number of words/phrases along with swear words. You'd get the same negative reaction from saying "YO WASSUP DAWG".

Secondly, this is not a job interview, it's a mode of adult recreation, just like football or rugby. Are you going to tell me nobody swears during physical sports? If you let your kids play, they have to adapt to the adult world as they would if you let them play football with other over-eighteens. Incidentally, they already do swear like troopers at school. No amount of overprotectiveness will change that.

Thirdly, if I ever walk into a job interview, I'll consider my life worthless.

[Karnaugh]

As correct ask bsk is, in society it's simply treated as a form of disrespect.

Thats a very old, and very incorrect idea. Society actualy doesn't work that way. Language varies from culture to culture, people offended by swearing or who think it's a sign of "disrespect" is actualy a very tiny minority. I think you'll find you've been brainwashed by hippies.

[The_Basilisk]

JKR: It's the god damn internet. You shouldn't be taking anybody seriously, except when you're properly acquainted with them, in which case the context of the discussion should be more than enough to distinguish tone.

Also, don't forget we talk about "tone" as a quality in literature.

[JKR]

Just to clarify, I'm not anti-swearing on the servers at all. I swear 20 times a second during the day.

It's a fact many people do take swearing seriously. You've explained why they shouldn’t; I'm just trying to understand the other side of the picture; why they do.

[Gozzy]

I said SKOMMEL in an interview once, and the lady who interviewed me gave me the job immediately.

[The_Basilisk]

Only because it's you, Gozzy :P

[Peon]

Bsk.Its about manners and respect. And maybe something called decency :thumbsup:

[Plato]

I said SKOMMEL in an interview once, and the lady who interviewed me gave me the job immediately.

A hand job?

:P

[The_Basilisk]

Peon. "Manners" and "respect" are entirely relative, that's my point.

The only ways to fairly negotiate between different cultures are 1) abolish culture altogether, which is what we should do, but most people aren't able to function without a cultural structure in place; and 2) practise tolerance, which is the most practical.

In simple terms: embrace what you like, ignore what you don't, but don't impose your beliefs on others. And before you comment that "LOLZ BUT YUO ARE IMPOSEEING UR BELIEVES ON US BIE SWAERING," I'm not trying to modify your behaviour (ie, depriving you of choice), whereas you're distinctly trying to modify mine (ie, trying to deprive me of my choice).

[Plato]

Basilisk, if I may comment without sounding homosexual, I think that your posts here were well thought out and superbly written.

Well done :D

You're not as much of a dick as most people say.
:P

[zero-1]

its 1st year english plato.

thanks for the lesson bsk, now get a girlfriend/boyfriend...

[Scrye]

He's got a girlfriend, wise ass.

[Plato]

its 1st year english plato.


Remember, I am a complete idiot. I didnt really pass english, I had to give some sexual favours in order to make it through to std 8 :P

[cyghost]

while I agree 100% with bsk his argument is based on a false premise - that of a perfect world

saying this is the way things "should be" does not alter the reality of how things in fact "are"

and respect is not so relative that it can not cross boundaries and cultures - granted respect between friends is displayed differently than say strangers (opposite of the spectrum) Certain behavior can always be construed as respectful and others will always be dis-respectful

do unto others as you would have done unto yourself

qed

[Purple_H@ze]

He's got a girlfriend, wise ass.

Ummmm... his posters of the backstreet boys, nsync and 5ive dont count as "real" relationships, i wonder where all his views were when we were playing the clannies?

He didn't enforce his views on us at all there, although he did mention that "thats how it's done all over the world"....

My thoughts,
PH

[Peon]

Ok I get you bsk.

Try this.

You in a conversation with a girl online or offline and you swear an average amount. They wont appreciate it. Thats the type of decency towards an individual im talking about, and that is how we get back to the thread's point. Curbing profanities to make the general experience enjoyable for all.

Sure one can do as one pleases. But dont stuff it up for everyone else.

[zero-1]

He's got a girlfriend, wise ass.

and that would be u?

[Draven]

Irony of the whole thing is that all those posting here are the one that don't swear online. What a waste of time debating this topic.. GL HF

[Karnaugh]

You in a conversation with a girl online or offline and you swear an average amount. They wont appreciate it.

What? Half the girls I know swear a damn sight more than I do... You need to go outside man, worlds not as cudly-wudly as it is in your bedroom with your stuffed animals.

[igloo]

"Fuck The World"

[Violent J]
Fuck. Fuck this shit.
Fuck givin it to me.

[Chorus:]
If I only could I'd set the world on fire
If I only could I'd set the world on fire
If I only could I'd set the world on fire
Sya fuck the world! (Fuck the world!)
If I only could I'd set the world on fire
Fuck em all! (Fuck em all!)

[Violent J]
Fuck you, fuck me, fuck us
Fuck Tom, fuck Mary, fuck Gus
Fuck Darius
Fuck the west coast, and fuck everybody on the east
Eat shit and die, or fuck off at least
Fuck pre-schoolers, fuck rulers
Kings and Queens and gold jewelers
Fuck wine coolers
Fuck chickens, fuck ducks
Everybody in your crew sucks, punk mother fucks
Fuck critics, fuck your review
Even if you like me, fuck you
Fuck your mom, fuck your mom's momma
Fuck the Beastie Boys and the Dali Llama
Fuck the rain forest, fuck a Forrest Gump
You probably like it in the rump
Fuck a shoe pump, fuck the real deal and fuck all the fakes
Fuck all fifty two states! Oooo, and fuck you

[Chorus X 2]

[Violent J]
Fuck Oprah, fuck opera, fuck a soap opera
Fuck a pop locker and a cock blocker
Fuck your girlfriend, I probably did her already
Fuck Kyle and his brother Tom Petty, Jump Steady
My homie, fuck him, what are you gonna do?
(Fuck that bitch, fuck you!) Yeah well fuck you too
Don't bother tryin to analyze these rhymes
In this song I say fuck ninety three times
Fuck the president, fuck your welfare
Fuck your government and fuck Fred Bear
Fuck Nugent, like anybody gives a fuck
You like to hunt a lot, so fuckin what?!
Fuck disco, Count of Monte Crisco
Fuck Cisco, and Jack and Jerry Brisco
And fuck everyone who went down with the Titanic, in a panic
I'm like fuck you, AHHHHH!!!!

[Chorus X 2]

[Violent J]
Fuck Celine Dion and fuck Dionne Warwick
You both make me sick, suck my dick
Fuck the Berlin Wall, both sides of it
And fuck Lyle Lovett, whoever the fuck that is
Fuck everybody in the hemisphere
Fuck them across the world, and fuck them right here
You know the guy that operates the Rouge River draw bridge in Delray on
Jefferson? FUCK HIM!
Fuck your idea, fuck your gonnoreha
Fuck your diarrhea, Rocky Maivia
Fuck your wife, your homie did, he's fuckin you
Fuck the police and the 5-0 too
Fuck Spin, Rolling Stone, and fuck Vibe
Fuck everybody inside
Whoever's on the cover, fuck his mother
Fuck your little brother's homie from around the way
And fuck Violent J!

[Peon]

What? Half the girls I know swear a damn sight more than I do... You need to go outside man, worlds not as cudly-wudly as it is in your bedroom with your stuffed animals.

Hehehehehe :rolleyes: , ummn no. Dude how big are your tits again ??

[BikerBob]

Should have said it 94 times.... Fuck this song is crap....

Anyways.... On the subject.... Swearing is a part of everyday life. Certain people you swear in front of, and others you don't. Yes, it slips out everynow and again when it shouldn't.

As for online... IMO, Who gives a shit? You here to have fun and play a game. Yes some people get carried away with it. If it bothered me, I would simply tell them to STFU! And ignore them... And I would do the same if you were standing next to me swearing at me...

[mudd@]

"Mudda: So, essentially, we should carry on doing something because that's the way it's always been done, right?"

nope: Thats not what I said.

What i said in between my lines was that although you may be able to use similar words to express yourself - the context in which are used will differ.

When you are with mates and you need be the "alpha-male" you will be probably "chune" you bros something similar to igloo's song.



When you are with gran ma and gran pa - i doubt you would go around expressing yourself in quite the same way.

Some people are offended by it - I think they should at least have their opions respected.

It however will not change the world, but at least spare a thought for the innocent.

[Purple_H@ze]

What? Half the girls I know swear a damn sight more than I do... You need to go outside man, worlds not as cudly-wudly as it is in your bedroom with your stuffed animals.

Strangely enough, not a surprise to me at all.

[igloo]

They are lyrics from:

Insane Clown Posse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insane_Clown_Posse)'s - Fuck The World.

They are bad otherwise. Do not waste your bandwidth.

[The_Basilisk]

Some people are offended by it - I think they should at least have their opions respected.

What about my opinion? All I'm asking them to do is to tolerate me. They're asking me to change who I am. I think the latter is by far the bigger infringement.

[Scrye]

and that would be u?

Did your family help you with that one?

[opi@te]

To all those for swearing in this thread I'd like to say fuck you, you fucking retarded, shit for brains, dickbreath assholes. If it does not offend you to be spoken to in this manner, I will accept your point. I can guarantee that the majority of ppl prefer otherwise though.

[[N]Haja]

Elf, do you perhaps have another Waffle Recipe for us?

[zero-1]

Did your family help you with that one?

that was a terrible comeback. go study 1st year english imo.

[]H[ellboy]

It's a heart, Andre.
awwww that's so sweet! Why thank you!

As for the swearing there is a time and place for everything, I swear but I don't excactly call my grandma a fucking retard now do I? Do you?

[<A>FluX.v2.0]

I Do!

[Shrimp]

I think the point here, is that regardless of our personal thoughts on bad language, attitudes, age restrictions, etc, the no swearing rule is decided not by us, not by the server admins, but by SGS.

Unfortunately, as long as we are playing on SGS servers, we have to abide by the SGS rules.

While I think swearing is often unnecessary, and do not swear myself, I have always been strongly opposed to the SGS ROE and the mostly ridiculous set of rules it sets out, as the games they host are all age restricted to at least 17, and I do not feel that adults, in an adult environment, should watch themselves so carefuly in case Jonny's irresponsible parents do not care about what he is playing, or allow him to play these games, then complain when they see other people's behaviour around innocent Jonny.

However, sad as it may be, SGS does have these rules, and as long as we are playing on SGS servers, we need to play by their rules.

[Gamos]

<Applause> Well said Shrimp.

[Boogeyman]

I'm still here

[The_Basilisk]

Honestly, we should be opposing, not complying with those rules. A relaxed attitude from our admins would go a long way towards this. Ban people who are truly being disruptive or abusive, but not the guy who says "rofl, that was fucking brilliant" or "fuck this lag."

[Gamos]

Basilisk,
maybe you can give some input on how things are done on the SGS Quake4 servers.

Boogey,
hey man. Sup?

[[N]Haja]

relaxed admins? If i were more relaxed, my heart would stop beating.

I am a very relaxed admin, having perhaps kicked 2 ppl in my entire 'career'. I have not luckily been prithe to too much swearing on the servers, but I have turned the blind eye every now and then during a clannie or a closed game.

However, if I want to stay an admin, I would have to uphold the rules. Yes, I will access each situation as it arises, but if you are blatantly breaking the rules, I will be forced to punish you as the ROE sees fit.

The alternative is for me to do nothing, get kicked at being an admin, which will bugger quite a bit up IMHO as I am one of the few admins that play UT and sets up servers regularly.

So just use your brain, if you have to actually press a buttoin to type, then finger in a string of profanaties, it is not 'accidental' like doing it over the mic or in person. So just think before you act, easy peasy.

Or, you can buck against the whole world, and try and change everyones opinion.

[Shrimp]

Basilisk: I have tried and tried, over and over, for years and years, through multiple games. Every argument you make, no matter how logical or reasonable, no matter how well, or delicately you put things, all falls on deaf ears. I have argued against the ROE to the point of almost being banned from their forums on more than one occasion (obviously it's preferable to not be banned, since they have no other form of communication, besides ignored emails and an IRC channel full of CS kiddies).

At the end of the day, even if they ban every single player from the game and their forums, no matter how much noise is made in opposition, there is simply no way to get the ROE relaxed, improved or removed. In fact any ROE debate is strictly discouraged it would seem. I would also like somewhere to play online, with more than a bot. Even a mass exodus to MWeb would not phase SGS in the least, but merely get the MWeb/Gamezone supporters banned from all SGS servers and forums (yes, this has happend a few times).

SGS is a typical Telkom institution, and we know how open Telkom are to debate and common sense.

[Shrimp]

Haja makes another very good point. If the current admins were to be seen as ineffective, they would be removed, and we'd be back to square one - nobody representing the actual players. In the past, the UT servers were administered by random generic admins at SGS, who knew very little about the actual game, good setups/rules, etc. It was also impossible to hold clan matches or any formal event, as they would never respond to any amount of requests for that sort of thing, and nothing was ever updated or maintained.

[Boogeyman]

True Shrimp...thing is there are a handfull of admins who control SGS servers ovearll and they have their own jobs to do. Changing the ROE would be very very last item on their packed agenda.

Gamos..lekker bro..just finished exams yesterday...got bored this year so i decide to do my CFP and hopefully an MBA which will take another year.

CSS [N]aja are going to compete at rAge in Sept....hope some of the JHB boys will come say howzit!

We also putting up a naja website in the next 2 weeks..I will correspond with Haja so we can include the UT family.

[Gamos]

Great news Boogey. Yeah, I might make a turn at Rage if the mood takes me.

Shrimpo, you make a good point. Farting against the wind is all fighting the ROE is. One day bandwidth will become cheap, static IPs the norm and every clan can host their own server with their own rules. Oneday... </dream>

[Syzygy78]

last night I was getting own3d by Struma and his bro ;p I was at the point of wanting to break something.

Just take a small breather, relax and calm down.

I do some nights swear alot while playing ;p but, i dont feel the need to type it out or broadcast it out over my mic

[MaXimus]

I'm trying to get my wife into gaming, and its pretty hard since most woman just don't think its that much fun. So the other night she's watching me play UT and suddenly a string of curse words appear at the bottom of the screen. I quickly glance towards my wife and see her flinging as she read the words. I keep quite but I know what she is thinking. She is a loving, quite and soft person and easily gets offended by this stuff. Perhaps gaming is not the place for her, but all I'm asking is this: On the servers, please think before you type. Whatever you think about the world and the people living on, and the rules people enforce, not everyone feels the same way. You are deeply offending someone somewhere, and if you don't care about it, then perhaps you shouldn't earn the level of respect you are trying to achieve.

[Draven]

Well said...:thumbsup:

[Karnaugh]

Sorry, hang on.

What are admins there for?

For running the server. Making sure it runs properly, quickly, is updated, gets new maps etc, meets standards of whatever target audience expects. Making sure people don't cheat, etc.

When the FUCK did being an admin become about teaching children about their language, making sure people act like good little christians to have the luxury of playing on their server?

I'm sorry, but untill the REAL reason for an admin starts getting taken care of I'm not about to give a flying fuck about what they think about my language. Do your job properly before you start telling ME how to behave because that isn't the job of an admin.

And I'm not talking about the stub admins, I'm talking about SGS's main admins.

[Karnaugh]

I'm trying to get my wife into gaming, and its pretty hard since most woman just don't think its that much fun. So the other night she's watching me play UT and suddenly a string of curse words appear at the bottom of the screen.

Settings -> HUD -> Chat lines. Change to 0 and shut the fuck up thanks. The same can be done for VOIP. If you don't like what gets said you can take plenty of steps YOUR SELF to stop from seeing it rather than restricting everyone else.

[The_Basilisk]

Shrimp: not once have I seen a main SGS admin playing on the UT servers, or the Quake 4 for that matter. They are all CS and BF2 players, and honestly don't give a shit about the other communities (incidentally, to answer your question, nobody plays on the SGS Q4 servers, since they are horribly out of date).

I don't think they would notice the admins here being relaxed, and if they did, I don't think they would care.

Haja: I've always considered you to be a fair and reasonable admin. My comment was geared mainly towards Cataphract, who is the only person (other than The Proven) who's threatened to ban me for swearing.

[Crazychic]

Ermmmm.... Guys I must absolutely apologize .......... Last night I decided to play some UT online cause I have not had much opportunity of late ........ Made a very silly comment imo ....... along the lines of im a virgin go easy on me..... meant in all honesty as i haven't played in a while so be nice........ totally joking of course and got some comment back....... unfortunately i went ballistic and removed myself from the game. I do however apologize to all the peeps online who actually had to read what I typed. I will in future try to keep myself in check.

Thanks

[Karnaugh]

unfortunately i went ballistic and removed myself from the game.

Don't you mean to say "OMG SCRYE IS SUCH A PRICK"

[Macera]

What about my opinion? All I'm asking them to do is to tolerate me. They're asking me to change who I am. I think the latter is by far the bigger infringement.
Well I myself don't mind swearing, but I guess it's SGS's rules, and if you want to play on the server you have to abide by the rules, like a school's rules, if you don't live by then while at school, they throw you out :/.

I myself swear a bit too much too nowadays

[Macera]

Umm... uhhh someone make a profanity filter????? It can't be THAT hard to make?
WEll I dunno

[MaXimus]

Settings -> HUD -> Chat lines. Change to 0 and shut the fuck up thanks. The same can be done for VOIP. If you don't like what gets said you can take plenty of steps YOUR SELF to stop from seeing it rather than restricting everyone else.

Listen dude (wanted to call you something else but used constraint instead, something you obviously have little off), I never said I cared about the cursing. I said some people do, how was I supposed to know you were going to curse (yes it was you but I didn't wish to point fingers). It's amazing that you see yourself as an intelligent animal yet you can't show any form of restraint, you simply have to use profanities to get your point across, you can't have a conversation like any decent person. Perhaps you are just a pig and you want everyone else to be one too? I really don't care about you and your little fits, so just go ahead and do what you do best, mmmkay?

[Gamos]

I am too old to listen to (or worry about) you young'uns sticking it to the man. Feel free to create your own server or boycott SGS. Sheesh.

Hobby = fun, or should.

[Karnaugh]

Listen dude (wanted to call you something else but used constraint instead, something you obviously have little off), I never said I cared about the cursing. I said some people do

And those people can turn off chat messages

[[N]Haja]

Maybe I should make SGS Main server = SGS Clean
and SGS Mod server = Filthy fu@$ (fu@$)@ Server

[MaXimus]

And those people can turn off chat messages

Uhm, why should they change anything? Just like you don't like the spawn raping, others don't like the cursing. But some people are prepared to compromise, where if something doesn't go your way, you throw a fit. So you want to liberate the world with your views, go do it somewhere else would you. OMG, I can't imagine how screwed up this planet would be if everyone was like you.

[Gamos]

Bwahaha, good 1 Haj

SGS Main = SGS PG10
SGS Mod = SGS Check the box rating. :)

[Karnaugh]

Uhm, why should they change anything?

Because they are the ones with the problem.

[opi@te]

And those people can turn off chat messages

Thats not very logical. Why should he turn off all comunication to avoid your profanity. It's like saying that if you dont appreciate spawnraping campers you should quit UT. B.T.W. changing who you are might not be such a bad thing if you enjoy verbally attacking every person you meet. I do however agree with you that saying sumthing like "that's teh funniest fucking thing I have ever seen! Bwahahaha" is very different form sayin "fuck off and die you fucking retard".

[Karnaugh]

It's not swearing, or the words you use, its what you're actually saying that makes something profane.

If you're offended by words like "fuck" and "shit" no matter what context they are used in, then you might as well be offended by every other word in the English language.

On that basis, you should turn off the chat box.

[opi@te]

How about a poll?
Swearing is ok, as long as it is not used to atack and insult plaers.
Swearing can be used in any way even to attack and insult players.
Swearing is taboo.
But I guess it wont really make a difference because the servers belong to sgs.

[MaXimus]

It's not swearing, or the words you use, its what you're actually saying that makes something profane.

If you're offended by words like "fuck" and "shit" no matter what context they are used in, then you might as well be offended by every other word in the English language.

On that basis, you should turn off the chat box.

Unfortunately human's interpretations of a string of words are a little more complex than that. To dummify something as complex as a language to mere words is pretty insane in my view.

[=_sNaKe_=]

Karn, you make some valid points, especially about what opi@te agreed with i.e. saying "fuck that was brilliant", but, simply put, there are certain standards in place in society and you can either roll with the punches and make your life easier, or you can disagree vehemently (even though all you will probably accomplish is to know that "you are right") but what will that accomplish?

I know it's sucky to just conform (I hate that word, it reminds me of Goths), but truth be told, its alot easier than fighting a battle you'll likely never win.

[Karnaugh]

but, simply put, there are certain standards in place in society

Actualy, I'm saying the opposite. There are standards in *your* society. The majority of people are actualy not concerned with swearing, and don't take offense to it.

It's called tollerance.

Not swearing is a religious belief, as is anti-semetisim and anti-homosexuality and racism.

Are you saying that black people, jews and gays are also not allowed on our servers?

[Gamos]

Gents (and lady), despite the biting remark here and there, I think this debate has gone down quite well, certainly for the UZA standard. ;)
Allow me to add my 2c.

I think both parties are basing some points from their side of the debate, on assumptions that can't be proven.

Karnaugh, can you matter of factly state that the "majority" aren't concerned about swearing? Just because your circle of friends and family doesn't mind, can you really assume the majority don't? For that matter, do you know more people than others to lend some proof to those assumptions, or are you familiar with the majority of the community's stance? If your answer is "no" to any of those questions, you are as much responsible for keeping yourself in check, as others are to not take offence with your (or anyone's) general swearing.

Likewise on the flipside of the coin, just because "you" feel offended (or your wife like in Maximus' case), doesn't mean the rest of the community is. All questions in the above paragraph could be asked again, and once again a misassumption could be the non-factual root of the debate.

In the end there are - fact - some users that do take offence, and there are other users - fact - that don't take offence. Can we not meet halfway? Tolerate (or town down) the swearing, but also try not to insult (or feel insulted) when it happens.

I am pretty sure if you read the first post made by Cat that is exactly what he is asking.


Edit: Spelling.

[=_sNaKe_=]

The majority of people are actualy not concerned with swearing, and don't take offense to it.

You left out "in my experiences".


Are you saying that black people, jews and gays are also not allowed on our servers?
That's blowing it a little out of proportion.

All I'm saying, is that there are rules and if you want to play (as in any sport), adhere to them. Whether or not you feel you're right or wrong is, at the end of the day, only going to be your personal opinion.

Unfortunately, whether or not the majority are pro-swearing or not, SGS have laid down the law and there's sweet fanny anyone (bar a select few, I suppose) can do about it.

As much as I resent rolling over and dying, what other option is there if those with the power don't give a fish's?

[MaXimus]

It's called tolerance.

ROFLMAO!!! And thats coming from a person who's probably the least tolerant on these forums. Talk about double standards.

I really don't want to get into the whole believe system thing since its an argument which will probably never be solved. I'd just like to mention the definition of the word "tolerance": The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others. The fact that you so eagerly dismiss the believe of others is in itself intolerance. The fact that you don't care whether you hurt or disrespect others with your insensitive speech, is in itself
intolerance.

On the flip side of the coin, I do tolerate your cursing, as I do tolerate people smoking in the office. I could go off on a tangent, throw my toys out the cot and scream like a little girl instead. But it won't help much now would it. Just like it won't help you going off about how cursing means nothing and that the rules should be changed to follow your own believes. I think most of us is merely saying to turn it down a bit and think before you call someone ugly names. It's really that simple. Isn't that a compromise already?

[Crazychic]

Basically Karn ..... Yes what I said was okay ...... But it was the tone that I used that I am apologizing for. Scrye apologies for taking my bad mood out on you. I actually don't care whether people swear or not. That is not half as bad as all the suggestive remarks and downright rude connotations that sometime you will find on the servers.

Though something that I have found that comes with the territory of being a gamer online whether u r male or female is the swearing. Just at the end of the day don't take it personal.

Yes if possible try to refrain from typing all ur little swearing comments

[Karnaugh]

ROFLMAO!!! And thats coming from a person who's probably the least tolerant on these forums. Talk about double standards.

Well done, I stopped caring about what you have to say after reading that line.

[[N]Haja]

can't we all jst be freinds <3

[MaXimus]

Well done, I stopped caring about what you have to say after reading that line.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

To the rest of the community: I'm sorry if I sound a bit harsh in this thread. I just don't have much time for people who gives a dam about other people's believes. It's a case of one oppressive believe above another. Peace from this side, may the rest of the Friday continue in a better mood around here.

[[N]Haja]

its friday? *looks at calender*

WOOT!

[MaXimus]

Haja']its friday? *looks at calender*

WOOT!

It is indeed Friday, and I've got a nice lannie to attend this weekend. Looking forward to the games, the pizza, the biltong, the beer, and *uhum*, the cursing. :cool:

[The_Basilisk]

Maximus: your arguments are making very little logical sense :/

[Purple_H@ze]

If I may, my 2c:

BEGIN:

Karnaugh, as always you have proven yourself to be the asshole of UZA and a 1/2 a cunt, because an actual cunt, would be usefull.

Max, more power to you fo trying to be decent to the fuck up, i personally cannot.

END:

Right, my proposal.... i am going to purchase a UT server and host it for everyone, i am going to find out how much this costs and set it up from there... i will be hosting *propper* games and my rules are simple, if your nick is karnaugh, smells of karnaugh, remotely uses the same character's as karnaugh, you are not welcome, as you should have been put down the day you were born.

Shrimp, i have seen less of an outburst from Hellboy which got him suspended from these forums... please can u do something about karnaugh, he clearly has no intention of being decent, even when someone(maximus) is trying to approach him reasonably.

Regards,
PH

[MaXimus]

Maximus: your arguments are making very little logical sense :/

Well, at least I understand myself.

[Karnaugh]

Approach me reasonably? Sorry, you instantly loose the argument when you start making silly personal attacks.

I just don't have much time for people who gives a dam about other people's believes.

We all have far less time for people who are simply arguing a point so as to oppose someone else's point due to an obvious personal vendetta.

How about my belief that "swear words" are merely a part of the English language, and as such I'll use them as I see fit?

Besides, exactly which moral values dictate telling other people, who do not share your believes, how to behave? Now I just so happen to *know* that there are no religions which say that I can't swear. Perhaps *you* can't swear, but thats your own perogative.

Right, my proposal.... i am going to purchase a UT server and host it for everyone
Haha. Yeah, the day you can afford to keep that up I'll happily not bother playing on it. Please find out what you're talking about before sticking your foot in your mouth.

[Purple_H@ze]

Public indecency is not tolerbale fucknut.

and it's *beliefs* not believes... please... go and find out what you are talking about before you stick your dick in another mango.

[The_Basilisk]

"Public indecency is not tolerbale fucknut."

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[opi@te]

you laugh plenty plenty

[SGT_Pepper]

Karnaugh, I have a belief too. That would be find you in a dark alley. You me and and your butt hole! Since you are a huge "anus" and i have a huge "dong" that would be a perfect match for you my "frank and beans loving friend"

I really suggest we should meet. I'm having a bad day and the thought of "loving" you seems really good. My attraction being that only my girlfriend moans as much as you do. I love to spank her so you might be good "loving to".

Anyway ladies. I expect you to whine some more as only a little woman could. But hec, all power to you ladies. Hope one day you get the vote and can swear whilst you vote. Maybe you should quit UT and watch some soap opera's with the woman folk. I think you'd be more suited to that since you really love drama.

Lotsa lotsa love.. and kisses
Pepper.

ps.. eagerly awaiting your response.

;)

[MaXimus]

We all have far less time for people who are simply arguing a point so as to oppose someone else's point due to an obvious personal vendetta.
LOL, personal vendetta, eish.

I'm going to put it very simple for you:
- You chase people away by cursing, whether you believe its wrong or not.
- You don't earn extra credits for cursing at others, instead you are showing a general incapability of proper conversation.
- Religion unfortunately for you is not dead yet. Until then you will keep disgusting others, that also don't earn you credits.
- Regarding the dictation: Dictatorship is slightly larger than a few simple rules on SGS, get over it.
- I do swear, yet I have some form of constraint, you don't seem to posess the same capability.

Is that simple enough or do you need some examples of constraint too?

[The_Basilisk]

Maximus: everything you've just said has already been refuted several times in this thread.

[Syzygy78]

Bsk, when you bring in terms like 'refuted', you are becoming very technical and you have to substantiate your comment. I might as well reply to this thread and say YOU ARE ALL WRONG! it means nothing

[opi@te]

Bsk, when you bring in terms like 'refuted', you are becoming very technical and you have to substantiate your comment. I might as well reply to this thread and say YOU ARE ALL WRONG! it means nothing

Irony is, it is probably true. =]

[The_Basilisk]

Syzygy78: when I use terms like "refuted," I use them correctly. And when I use terms like "already" and "several times in this thread", I expect you to be just ever-so-slightly observant and RETURN TO THE PREVIOUS PAGES TO READ THE POSTS REFERRED TO.

[Karnaugh]

I havn't yet said that there should be swearing on the servers. However all your arguments for why there shouldn't be swearing are totaly bogus, and all based on personal belief systems which do not cross religious boundries. To enforce a rule that is based on ONE religion, and even to a large extent one subset of that religion (not all christians are against swear words), on a public server, is wrong.

Perhaps you don't actualy understand the extent to which the SGS ROE defines "swearing". You should go and have a read before arguing with The_Basilisk.

Oh, and Terror, please don't make threats of physical violence. I think you'll find it's against the law (along with "public indecency"), in contrast to swearing which is protected by the constitution under my right to free speech.

[Syzygy78]

There are now over 125 posts, you could be referring to ANY of them

[MaXimus]

Maximus: everything you've just said has already been refuted several times in this thread.

Depending on the point of view your looking from. Your point of view seems as illogical to me as mine seems to you. So, even though you concluded that everything I said means squat, not everyone here will share the same view. So, until everyone here tells me I'm talking absolute crap I will not accept your remark as valid.

[Syzygy78]

lolz @ Opi@te

[The_Basilisk]

Maximus: logic is not subjective.

[MaXimus]

Depends what you see as logic, doesn't it?

[Syzygy78]

The next time I go to the traffic department to query a speeding ticket to try get it reduced, I think I will tell them what fucking idiots they are. I will look into the eyes of the prosecutor and tell him what a fucktard he is and that his mother never loved him. Instead of getting my fine reduced, Ill get thrown into jail and have to pay an additional R3000.

Dont you think its logical not to do that? ;p

[The_Basilisk]

Maximus: logic is a formal discipline with a long academic history. Which version are you talking about?

[Karnaugh]

The next time I go to the traffic department to query a speeding ticket to try get it reduced, I think I will tell them what fucking idiots they are. I will look into the eyes of the prosecutor and tell him what a fucktard he is and that his mother never loved him. Instead of getting my fine reduced, Ill get thrown into jail and have to pay an additional R3000.

Really? Since when?
I think you're confusing free speech with contempt of court. And no, swearing in a court (as opposed to verbaly abusing a judge) would (or rather, should according to law) not change the outcome of the proceedings.

[MaXimus]

The next time I go to the traffic department to query a speeding ticket to try get it reduced, I think I will tell them what fucking idiots they are. I will look into the eyes of the prosecutor and tell him what a fucktard he is and that his mother never loved him. Instead of getting my fine reduced, Ill get thrown into jail and have to pay an additional R3000.

Dont you think its logical not to do that? ;p

Oh no, but you see Syzygy, they are at least "selective" of who they curse at. In other words, they are pissies when they need to stand up for their own believe in front of the cops, their customers, etc. Its strange that they don't walk around naked in the streets, afterall, that is also just a crazy idea invented by society.

[=_sNaKe_=]

The next time I go to the traffic department to query a speeding ticket to try get it reduced, I think I will tell them what fucking idiots they are. I will look into the eyes of the prosecutor and tell him what a fucktard he is and that his mother never loved him. Instead of getting my fine reduced, Ill get thrown into jail and have to pay an additional R3000.

Dont you think its logical not to do that? ;p
Thats sort of the idea I was trying to get across (but without having to whip out the crayons). There are rules. Play by them.

[opi@te]

Let me ask you this, Karnaugh. Will you speak to me in the same manner face to face as you do online?

[Purple_H@ze]

nah opi he wont... trust me, met him in person, real quiet like.....

[sneaky]

Its like a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob out there.

[opi@te]

Its like a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob out there.
It's the first time I heard that before and I have to say that it made me laugh loud enough to make the ppl in my office ask what I am doing. :o :P

[Karnaugh]

Let me ask you this, Karnaugh. Will you speak to me in the same manner face to face as you do online?

That depends. If I consider you a fucking retard I just won't bother speaking to you at all.

[Purple_H@ze]

now now karny with all the lies... we must control ourselves... you thought i was a complete fucktnig retard yet you spoke to me....

why you always gotta lie karny... what is it? huh.... denial of a left breast at birth or something?

[Scrye]

You fuckers just crashed my firefox.

[Purple_H@ze]

lol... I.E scrye... it's the way of the future.

[opi@te]

But while your still concidering my likeability you'll curse me to hell? Just kidding. My point is: If you talk to me that way on the net, I see it as cowardice. If you speak to me like that face to face, I see it as bravery.

[]H[ellboy]

I've been real quiet sofar.... man it's been hard....

Firstly if swearing is the best way of expressing yourself, ask your parents for a refund!

The debate on Karnaugh will never be solved... I've said this before and I'll say it again, every single superhero has a weakness what's Karny's?

Broken fingers.....

Lastly he'll never say it to your face. I'm still waiting for him to come and beat me up like he said he would over the interweb!

P.S. We are all equeal some more so than others!

oh and tonight when he's slapping the monkey checking out Tammy's webcam site for young loners, he'll reflect on what a internet God he's been today, don't deny anybody their fantasy it's called tolerance! serious!

[JKR]

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6646/spunnanotubethreadstoryih5.jpg


facinating.

[[N]Haja]

I prefer Elf's waffle recipes JKR, but that is indeed mind boggling!

[Draven]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g161/draven_dffs/Forum%20Images/stupid_thread.jpg

[gpr]

Well this is an interisintg thread something close to heart

Let me put it this way for people who do not understand the whole rules thing

1. You drive to fast(even people to young to have license hopefully can relate) i.e faster than speed limit.
2. You get caught and fined ... the road wad empty etc etc so you think its unfair ... you still have to pay or else face greater fines and jail ... why ... you broke the rules.

The same applies to swearing on a server with a no swearing rule ... you break it and you must face the consequences.

There is not really a big debate about if swearing should be allowed or not.

If you dont like it you can object and try to get the rules changed etc etc ... if you can't well thats life.

One thing about the whole ooo ooo its my right to break rules ... here is a simple rule aout life

Life is not fair get over it

The sooner you realise it the sooner you will grow up.

gpr

[Karnaugh]

wow, it's GPR.

[sneaky]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8021/jeanlucxy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Plato]

I love that picture :D

lolies!

Carbon nanotubes are used in the ub3r-capacitors being developed at MIT.
They charge almost instaneously and have a really long life span (compared with present batteries) :D

They`ll probably overtake conventional batteries in the near future ;)