A challenge.

[Scrye]

We hereby challenge TA to a 3 Map, 4v4 TDM.

Our choice of map is Antalus, you guys can choose a second, and we can discuss the third.

Rules:
Weaponstay off
Team Damage on
Nosuperweapons
Addrenaline on

Let us know if you accept.

[mudd@]

sounds good.

Will discuss with the clan and come back.

The lan is next weekend - u wanna do it then ?

Else we can arrange some other date.

[Gamos]

TA,
If you need Haja for that Antalus map, just shout. I'll speak to him. :)

[[N]Haja]

thats cuts deep G, real deep

[Gamos]

Hahahah! Sorry man, I am also available for Grendle. :p

[JKR]

I'm in.

mwhahafuckinghaha

[mudd@]

ok ive got 3 so far - just 1 more to go -

how does next week wed 8pm sound ?

[Scrye]

Sounds good, let me confirm, though.

[mudd@]

ok we got our team, however:

Rules:
Weaponstay on
Team Damage off
Nosuperweapons
Addrenaline on

Are you in ?

[Scrye]

How bout a compromise, Team damage off, weaponstay off.

We made the challenge, we should be able to pick the rules :/

[mudd@]

4vs4 weapon stay off sucks. We have done it before.

If you want it this way then 2vs2.

Its up to u

4vs4 weapon stay on. team damage negotiable

2vs2 as per your challenge.

[Mielie]

I'm disappointed to see that you guys wont accept our challenge with our rules. Guess the outcome is obvious anyway. ;-) heh. Anyway, still need to discuss next week wednesday with the rest of the guys, but its fine with me atm. And we will probably settle for your ffa rules... :)

Looking forward to it.

[Gamos]

Ag popcorn, Naja will klap you on your rules on Thursday. :p

[mudd@]

LOL @ gamos

Yeah its gonna be gooood suffering.

[The_Basilisk]

Mudd@ - the rules we asked for are standard international 4v4 tdm rules. If you're unable to control the weapons, of course you're going to lose - that's the whole point of tdm.

Edit: Wednesday's fine for me.

Edit 2: And in case it wasn't clear from my above statement, I'm not playing FFA.

[Manta]

Sould we get a 3rd party to make the rules >.< and what ever they say, goes?

[The_Basilisk]

Yes, that third party may be Clanbase Eurocup or the CPL. Either is acceptable.

[JKR]

Let's not start having issues with the rules; it's only going to delay the game.

We can solve this in two ways:
I'll make poll and we can vote. (Only those participating votes will count)
Or we can play four games, 2 with TA rule preference, and 2 with 42.

[mudd@]

Wednesday 8pm - it is.

My adsl was down last night - I will contact 42 on msn and finalize the arrangements.

[The_Basilisk]

Well, JKR, regarding a possible vote, everyone in 42 will vote for the correct rules, so you're basically just asking if there's anyone in TA who'll do the same...

[mudd@]

"correct" is placebo.

[The_Basilisk]

"Correct" has been decided through a process of trial and error / mutual compromise that has been going on for several years across the entire world. Why do South Africans always want to do things their way, even if that way is completely opposed to every proven system?

[Karnaugh]

Because TA know they will be slaughtered if they play by the standard rules. Probably because they know we won't like it, so they will refuse to compromise and make up silly excuses untill it all falls appart, at which stage they will make up some stupid nonsense that we were the ones that didn't want to play them and continue to think they are the best clan; a horribly pathetic statement seeing as they can't even play by compo rules.

[mudd@]

Karnaugh -

Please tell me that u will be playing on Wednesday.

[Struma]

well, ill have to disagree with the compo rules then. having weapon stay off goes max with a 2v2, more than that it becomes boring and the team in control just gets an ego boost. no point. if you want a real match that actually tests playing skills, both teams need weapons. duh. having map control is the other half, but whats the point of having 4 guys being running around being "slaughtered" and the other team being stocked up on ammo and health. if those are the comp rules for TDM, then bye bye to that.

[The_Basilisk]

Struma: it's called control. When you get it, you either keep it or lose it. It's up to the other team to knock you off and take it for themselves. That is where the skill comes in. Just giving all weapons to all players tests two things: 1) aim and 2) aim.

Playing with weapon stay off tests: 1) aim, 2) teamwork, 3) individual strategy, and 4) map control. There's your skill.

If you don't know how to play as a team and/or control the map, you're going to lose badly. If both teams have these skills, it's going to be close.

I assume you're scared to play us on any settings that require teamwork or strategy.

Edit: I'm willing to compromise - play four maps; two with our rules, two with yours.

[Struma]

im a pansy at trying new things, i admit. obviously im going to be in favor at what im more skilled at too, BUT it is boring to play ut with no weapons. if map control is what ur after, go practice with no weapons, dont fun playing a game that kicks ass. if we are going to play comp style, then lets play it at lan, where the whole team is gathered and there is no lag and other bs.
and im not scared at all, lol. not in the least. if u win, u win. then i have a goal to set, win over u. if we win, we win. then u have a goal, to win over us. it is as simple as that. that is what competition is, always trying to improve. duh again

if we play four maps, two maps our rules, then two maps urs, thats great. hopefully i can then realise with my stubborn self that weapon stay off is a reasonable option for gaming. but ill still hate it forever.

[mudd@]

Basilisk has a good plan:

2 with 42 rules (42 map / Ta map) Antalus / ?
2 with ta rules (42 map / ta map) ? / ?

That sounds like a great idea. Lets do it. No BS.

choose ure ta rule map . / .

[Karnaugh]

Karnaugh -

Please tell me that u will be playing on Wednesday.

On my GPRS? I don't think so.

[mudd@]

Right:

By latest Monday the maps must be choosen.

we have antalus with 42 rules - 3 maps to go.

[Purple_H@ze]

LOL... this post is one of the funniest things i have read in a while.

We have Anton whose only claim to fame is that he writes for NAG telling everyone else what to do, when in actual fact what we have is yet ANOTHER 42's way or no way.

Mudd@ let the 42's play by their rules, when they get hammered into the ground, maybe Anton will write about that... and Karny.... well Karny wont play because he lost to the weakest player in TA, that would be me... just as i wont play this because i will be a disadvantage to my team.

[The_Basilisk]

My "claim to fame" in this case, is the same as that of anyone else who's had any contact with the competition scene. Tournament rules are designed to be as fair and as conducive to exciting play as possible - that's why they're so widely accepted, and that's why we advocate them.

Oh, and what the sweet mother of god is your avatar?

[n00mz]

If someone makes a challenge it is up to whoever accepts it to follow the rules layed out in the challenge by the challenger. If they don't want to accept then they don't have to?

I could have a challenge where the rules state that you have to play with retarded bighead mutators or whatever. If someone doesn't like it then they don't accept. No problem.

Although there is a problem here, 42 isn't using fucking bighead mutators. 42 is using proven, standard international tournament rules.

Tournament rules are the only way to go if you want to do things properly.

[Mielie]

If TA play with their "big guns" this should be rather close, with "our" rules or not. Glad to see we agreed to compromise though. Concerning our second map, we will let you guys know asap.

[Purple_H@ze]

hey guys,

sorry bad day.... i wish youn all the best.

Anton is someone's eye that was shot with a pellet gun.

[sneaky]

now im hungry...

[Macera]

Struma: it's called control. When you get it, you either keep it or lose it. It's up to the other team to knock you off and take it for themselves. That is where the skill comes in. Just giving all weapons to all players tests two things: 1) aim and 2) aim.

Playing with weapon stay off tests: 1) aim, 2) teamwork, 3) individual strategy, and 4) map control. There's your skill.

If you don't know how to play as a team and/or control the map, you're going to lose badly. If both teams have these skills, it's going to be close.

I assume you're scared to play us on any settings that require teamwork or strategy.

Edit: I'm willing to compromise - play four maps; two with our rules, two with yours.
Well it also depends on who can get to the best guns first. Eg. if someone spawns at the rocket launcher and the other team member at the link gun, guess whos gonna win - the rocket launcher, then the dude with the rocket launcher picks up the link gun and hell he has 2 guns now now he gets hp and kills the other guy by ripping him with teh rocket launcher and finishing him off with the link.. having a 3rd gun.. Therefore luck also plays a big role in my opinion, even with weapon stay on it all depends on who controls the health and the shields.. And secondly it is VERY hard to regain map control once the other team has the weapons. (hard to kill someone with an assault rifle if he has a rocket launcher or any other gun as a matter of fact)... I'd say for weaponstay off why not play more games? :/ My 2+2+2+2+2c :D

(this is how i see it if BOTH teams are almost equal in skill as I think 42 and TA is about equal in skill + or - )

[The_Basilisk]

Mudda: we have our second map, though I think it's only fair that you reveal your team's first choice first.

[mudd@]

Cool -

Our weapon stay on map is: Rankin

We are still discussing the weapon stay off map - will post it later tonight.

[mudd@]

MMm -

Ok - Ta weapon stay off map is . .. .. .

Ironic :)

[The_Basilisk]

Ironic isn't a TDM map. 4v4 on that will just be grenade wars :/

Incidentally, our weapon-stay-on map is Grendelkeep.

[mudd@]

or shield warefare . ..

I will ask haja to admin for us.

[The_Basilisk]

:P

[[N]Haja]

Yes, I will be your friendly admin :)

[Struma]

Seems like some good maps.
Whats your weapon stay off map the_Basilisk?

[[N]Haja]

maybe he will choose gael? :P

BTW, 1on1-Ironic seems a stupid map for 4on4, i mean I have never seen it played in a TDM clannie before?

[mudd@]

Ta MAp

weapon stay on: Rankin
Weapon Stay off: Ironic

42 Map
weapon stay off: Antulas
weapon stay on: ??????

[[N]Haja]

Incidentally, our weapon-stay-on map is Grendelkeep.

:)

[mudd@]

Sorry - My apologies.

[Gamos]

So,

Weaponstay off, 100% team damage

Ironic
Antalus

Weaponstay on, no teamdagame

Grendle
Rankin


Shoud be good, although I really think Ironic is a bit small.

[sAm]

Hmmm i think the idea is for Naut to go wild with the Rocket Launcher in ironic.....if he can get his hands on one :)

[Syzygy78]

how about setting up some server side demos and then making it available to the community? I hope you guys are aware of the way www.unrealnorth.com (http://www.unrealnorth.com) is set-up. Most of the games are recorded and demos made available for EVERYONE to download. Dont you think it would be stupid if South Africa played a rugby game vs New Zealand behind closed doors and we only ever saw the results? What good does this do for the community... absolutley nothing! So, please record the games and make them available for us to download.

k thx,
Syzygy

[The_Basilisk]

I'll record from my POV if nobody else does...

[[N]Haja]

I will record demo's from various players, and share, if ppl want (and TA and 42 do not mind) :)

[[N]Haja]

btw, team damage will be on for all the maps?

[mudd@]

Yo Haaaaaaaaaaajaaaaaa

check gamos post above :)

Weaponstay off, 100% team damage

Ironic
Antalus

Weaponstay on, no teamdagame

Grendle
Rankin

[[N]Haja]

ok :)

[Syzygy78]

awesome, thx ;p