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Why are our servers so boring ?
I've been mudling around in the international servers out of interest. My connection abilities gives me the rare oppertunity to do this at around 200ms latency.
For one, they are alot more uptodate than ours. They also use UT2Vote, which lets you vote on mutators as well as maps and game types. They seem to have alot more interesting mods and other game types avaliable, yet we are stuck with the same shit day in and day out.
They also have alot of cool maps.
Whats going on?
On top of this, all these mods they have cloggign up their server... must be hell to download them
No. Not quite
The mod downloads in game happen at full 55KBps for me. Why are ours like trying to use a modem thats been run over by a truck?
</blank stare at inactive admins>
Get rid of CTF4 to begin with, get those maps that the entire competitive world plays, and make mutators voteable without needing admin. Heck, at least trial it on the mod server or something.
Ok, enough moaning for one day :)
I'm currently playing this IYF Halo mod thing on some international server, and its wicked fun.
All you get is a suped up translocator and a sniper with some serious zoom and fire rate enhancements. No bright skins, and they have all these cool industrial maps and things that you sit and snip each other on
With a nice solid 280ms ping, I'm even scoring in the top 5 with 10 other etc.
Bleh, Gamos:
What good are new maps and new mods if the community consistently plays the same 5 maps over and over again ??
I suggest that we increase the map voting limit thingy to over 6. That way the community is forced to play atleast one different map before the vicious circle starts all over again.
Better yet! Remove those maps from the non-duel servers :D, that way the community is really forced to play different maps.
That way everyone will get bored and go play CS or solitaire o_O, bunch of old people!
Happy G ?
Zyron, please feel free to add anything constructive to the thread, or just be silent. If half the people on UZA did that, it would be a grand place to visit.
ahshoo
Anyway, I've got some nice maps, I'd share them. But hell whats the point. The dutchme.. I mean, server admins never do anything. Glory be to people who get put in power just to have power.
Noman, are you still running the MWeb servers? Is there a way we can put some new maps or different mods on there?
MaXimus
26 Mar 2006, 22:59
BioGizzard, Gizzlo and me played that mod you mentioned at the UT lan we had recently, it's quite good. I've asked for adding maps so long now that I've given up. This is sure one way to kill a game off... Perhaps its a conspiracy with which they can get rid of UT to make more space for Camper Strike?
Yeah Z, happy! :) :p
Like I mentioned in the PM, if we get more solid maps like Campgrounds, it will be played. Problem is 10 mod packs and map packs and texture packs and who knows what else and very little from the admin side.
Whatever happened to that MA clan server?
[N]Haja
27 Mar 2006, 06:35
I agree with the map story 100%.
The maps that are played constantly are getting extremely boring. The problem is, the other maps on the server do not get played, as they are crap.
We really need some new, good maps loaded, so they can also be played to bits. The fact is the only reason we keep playing the same old maps as they are the only ones on the server worth playing :(
From my side, as an admin, I am unable to load maps, or I would, but I will chat to TP and see what he can do.
And voateable mods would be cool, when I put Instagib on for the okes, I have to re-activate it each round, as it changes after each map :(
votable mods means UT2Vote, which people seem to be alergic too here. I can't understand why, because its used on every international server I've connected to. For gods sake it was made by ProAsm who is a part of this comunity and we don't even use it. Thats just sad.
Sure I don't want to be making people have to download 100 maps, but heck. It's the age of ADSL, why the fuck are we downloading off the server at modem speeds? I could comfortably sit back for a few seconds while a 5mb map downloaded on the international servers.
MaXimus
27 Mar 2006, 07:19
Aparently, and I might be completely wrong, an alternative FTP server needs to be setup to enable the in game fast downloading of maps. In the end, it's Telkom screwing us again since if their prices were realistic I'm sure we could run a couple of community based servers, where these things wouldn't be such a problem. :(
votable mods means UT2Vote, which people seem to be alergic too here. I can't understand why, because its used on every international server I've connected to. For gods sake it was made by ProAsm who is a part of this comunity and we don't even use it. Thats just sad.
Yes yes YES.
I think SGS refuse to put it on because it was made by ProAsm, who was a GameZone admin, and UT2Vote is running on GameZone, or something eaqually retarded.
And it's true, join 95% of international servers, and you'll find UT2Vote. Even dedicated mod servers run it.
Another one is ProAsm's DuelGame. Check out any "Top gametype" stats site for UT2004, and you'll see DuelGame right up there. Of course, South Africa is too good for that or something. Our DUAL servers are fine.
It's a real pity more people don't play on GameZone. The pings are about the same as to SGS these days, and stuff actually downloads properly because it uses HTTP mirrors rather than trying to stream stuff off the game server.
I'm sure if there were some demand Nomie would load some fun stuff on there for us.
Oh, international caps are practically no longer an issue, so the download mirrors don't have to be hosted locally. You get the same download speeds anyway.
GM<Jaymac>MF
27 Mar 2006, 10:27
I blame Telkom.
MaXimus
27 Mar 2006, 10:38
You know, I don't quite get this, why is that CounterStrike and those games gets new maps loaded so quickly after being released? Perhaps its time SGS gets some more admins for UT, this is absolute BS that we always get left behind!
Acid Burn
27 Mar 2006, 11:09
I agree with all you guys about the same maps day in and day out is there no way that someone would be able to create a Server on there connection this way we by pass them all to gether, everone gets the downloads and bobs your uncle we have a new server full of kiff shit. I dont know if this possible at all but you guys would know best, and adding in some great game play sounds wicked to me .... lets explore the possobilities and chack it out.
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MaXimus
27 Mar 2006, 11:17
Cost cost cost, hosting a dedicated UT server would cost a fortune. :(
Not necisarily. I tried a few times, and got very far - but don't have a machine to do so with, and got shot down in flames so many times I gave up bothering. I don't personaly have the time to maintain a piece of hardware somewhere, and finance the equipment, but getting it hosted and sponsored would be a piece of cake..
But why must we? There is kalahari etc, just no one bothers to use it. And don't cry "lag" because thats a self destructive argument - SAIX have server lag for whatever reason and thats 100 times worse than a slightly higher ping.
Well - CPB/CPB2 Maps have quite a nice variety of maps - perhapos what needs to be done - is we get someone on here to get all the maps ever available - put it on to a DVD compressed - and if everyone is willing to pay for "shipping the DVD" we can send everyone the DVD - I think my collection of UT addons comes up to about 4GB.
and I don't think it will cost more than R30? for the DVD and the posting??? We can include UT Server on the CD so more people can learn how to host a game with the server version too?
Hows that for an idea?
|sAvAgE|
27 Mar 2006, 13:15
whats funny is that no matter how many times this gets brought up, the same gametypes and retarded maps are voted for over & over & over & over by the 'community'. dammit, CTF gets 1 vote and ppl start moaning "NO CTF!", dont even start on ONS/BR/D.Dom. :confused:
another thing, if & when ppl do actually bother playing on the MOD server, its always the same 5-6 ppl playing since nobody else has the maps and its 'too much effort' to get 'em.
bring back the ~MA~ server.
gg, i say. :mad:
GM<Jaymac>MF
27 Mar 2006, 13:37
I like DJ's idea.
And yes... I agree with Savage. We (myself included) need to be more open-minded about the games we play.
well - if everyone is keen then - I am happy to put the data together and post everyone the dvd with all the stuff on it.
The problem does not seem to be the lack of available maps etc, more of the servers administration. CTF4 has been on the servers over a year and doesn't even work.
We need to get a definitive list of maps/mods we want, throwing on a whole buch of map packs will just cause chaos.
Who is our SGS admin, TP? Can someone contact him and explain we need some updates? I don't think he even reads these forums :/
I don't think he even plays UT or has it installed.
<A>BioGizzard
27 Mar 2006, 18:32
I mean, server admins never do anything. Glory be to people who get put in power just to have power.
Oh quit crying allready...the only admin with the rights to add anything to the servers is TP, besides getting sgs to load stuff on those servers is like looking for water in the kalahari...
Then, what would the point be of adding anything to the mod server no-one ever uses it and when they do they play the same 5 maps as on the main server...
so what's the point really?
edit: btw my ut install is well over 12gb with all the mods and maps and i have the ones we don't play safely zipped on a drive and that is about 6gig aswell
i woiuld love to play more mods but alas the ppl here seem to be stuck in time
[N]Haja
27 Mar 2006, 19:18
Can someone contact him and explain we need some updates? I don't think he even reads these forums :/
I have allready spoken to him today, hence my other post. Once I get the maps you guys want and other info, then I can get it to him and hopefully get it loaded. So use my other thread as your wishlist. Just remeber, if some crap mod is loaded and it makes the server unstable, it could be bad for future upgrades, so try and keep the stuff we load reliable mods.
here is the link : http://www.unreal.co.za/forums/showthread.php?t=2256
this is your oppurtunity to get the maps you want loaded, and maybe some mods. Lets use this, instead of just moaning nothing changes.
I believe that the real *core* problem is that most players are too lazy too learn a new map.
Everyone knows how to get to the damage amp in rough using their custom double jump rocket launching backwards flying trick. Now too have to learn a NEW map?!?! oh the inhumanity of it all :/
If new maps are going to be placed on the servers, then the current 5 maps that are being played need to be suspended or something that will encourage the nice new maps to be played.
No good having new stuff if the original temptation is there.
GM<Jaymac>MF
27 Mar 2006, 23:54
:D
Zyron... you have hit the nail on the head.
I fully agree!
Also I remember the few times that I played Bombing Run with the guys at odd hours <Thanks sneaky :D>. It really is a fun gametype!
We should probably have that played more often just to mix it up ;)
{The reason why not many want to play ons is because Xan can be on a team all by himself and still pwn 5 guys on the other team :P}
Acid Burn
28 Mar 2006, 08:24
I believe that the real *core* problem is that most players are too lazy too learn a new map.
Everyone knows how to get to the damage amp in rough using their custom double jump rocket launching backwards flying trick. Now too have to learn a NEW map?!?! oh the inhumanity of it all :/
If new maps are going to be placed on the servers, then the current 5 maps that are being played need to be suspended or something that will encourage the nice new maps to be played.
No good having new stuff if the original temptation is there.
RIGHT ON ZYRON u are 100% correct try and place another map in the list and it gets shot to hell, I love playing Bombing run soccer with guns (great fun).
All we need on the servers are enough ppl that would vote for a different map, then the majority rules, so in my thinking if we all agree it is time for a change then lets all vote for that map. We are the community and therefore stand as a community and push this thing forward. Make a list of realy good maps post it up and let the guys try it out off line if it is liked take a vote make a structure and get new maps involved.
Acid out :)
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