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GM<Jaymac>MF
23 Mar 2006, 10:23
Did anyone notice that it is no longer possible to change FOV in-game (depending on how you do so,) when connected to the servers?
Let me explain. I have this user.ini command bound to one of my keys:
fov 75 | onrelease fov 115
What this does is, when I press that key, my FOV changes down to 75, then I headshot someone, release the key, and the FOV jumps back to my default. Well, that's what should happen, and it works fine in botmatch games, and it used to work fine when playing online, but recently it has just stopped working.
If I press tilde (`) and type in "FOV 115" or "FOV 75," there is no problem.
Have I done something to my user.ini that messed it all up, or has this somehow been banned on the servers? Either way, it really sucks because I finally figured out how to do it, had it for, like, a weekend, and then it stopped.
Oh yeah: This stopped working a while ago, but I haven't had time to mention it until now.
Very very strange indeed. Re-Install UT if all else fails :P
Did anyone notice that it is no longer possible to change FOV in-game (depending on how you do so,) when connected to the servers?
Let me explain. I have this user.ini command bound to one of my keys:
fov 75 | onrelease fov 115
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THATS FUCKING CHEETING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm....
Wouldn`t it be classified as cheating if he set it to lower than is normally allowed?
As far as I know, 75 is still within what the settings menu allows.
In my opinion it would only be cheating if he set it lower than what is normally allowed.
Well either way it seems to be disallowed so what I think does not matter :P
no, binding it to a key so you can zoom with any weapon is cheating.
Nautilian
23 Mar 2006, 11:51
Hey there, this has always been a problem with online gaming and UT, the server disables certain features allowed, as well as changing the tickrate from 60 -> 40 (Hence the difference in gameplay from online to LAN). This is also considered a cheat, and on any PURE server will not work. The best thing you can do is bind a one key to a certain fov and another key to a certain fov, alternativley you can set a certain fov to each weapon. Please note though that at any competitive level you are only allowed one FOV.
Hope that helps.
Naut
Slightly ot: what about pipeswitches - are they "competition legal"? I just want to make sure for my match against Gitzzz next week. :D
If it was illegal then the developers wouldn't have allowed it.
Acid Burn
23 Mar 2006, 13:01
Your all a bunch of HAX no wonder I loose by so far WTF. :)
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If it was illegal then the developers wouldn't have allowed it.
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever read. Did they allow aimbots too? Their code certainly did. Just because you can exploit something doesn't mean its allowed.
<A>BioGizzard
23 Mar 2006, 13:48
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GM<Jaymac>MF
23 Mar 2006, 14:41
Well, the idea of an FOV zoom feature was originally presented to me in a thread Naut posted for help and tips I think it was under 'help and tips > training.'
Naja posted something from the Mad Hookup's UT guide. In the guide, MHU gives this FOV tweak as an example, and specifically says that it is not cheating, but that some servers may disallow it.
But... if it is technically cheating, then I don't really want to do it anyway, which actually makes me glad that it has been disallowed on the servers.
Now, does anyone know if changing mouse sens in-game is illegal?
If changing mouse sens ingame is illegal, then Razer and Logitech have a problem on their hands!
I'd rather say Lego mode is illegal! :)
Its not Illegal/ or cheating Karnaugh you asswhipe. It's just not allowed on a competitive level as Naut said.
Jaymac :P just buy a magnifying glass :)
Its not Illegal/ or cheating Karnaugh you asswhipe. It's just not allowed on a competitive level as Naut said.
ok dude then i need to know when did we start playing with other rule's ?
Crazychic
23 Mar 2006, 17:39
excuse me ignorance
wtf is fov
GM<Jaymac>MF
23 Mar 2006, 17:47
FOV stands for Field Of View. It determines how much you see on the screen. The higher the FOV, the more is crammed into the screen from the two sides. Think of it as, the higher the FOV, the more to the sides of your head your eyes are.
If you're playing with default FOV, you should try change it by typing FOV xxx into the console in the game until you get a comfortable FOV. I play with 115.
Crazychic
23 Mar 2006, 17:48
in other words FOV 115
Thanks will give it a try
Cripple-X
23 Mar 2006, 18:11
in other words FOV 115
Thanks will give it a try
Yes, but just remember as your FOV increases, the objects directly in front of you appear further away and therefore your aim suffers as a result although you can see more around you. Guess it's all up to what feels good for you.
Crazychic
23 Mar 2006, 18:17
thanks
<A>BioGizzard
23 Mar 2006, 19:45
mine is 85 and i'm still having problems shooting the side of barn with the lg,
let alone another player...
Sigh q3 doesnt have these gay "cheat rules" like ut, if the command is available, i cant see it being a cheat. Phantom uses the FOV command all the time in Q3 and it aint cheating. I classify a cheat as something an individual can do where by normal u cant, that command is available for every1, use it as u like :)
This was my honest own oppinion, who evea flames me is a fag, so flame ahead :P
cyghost
23 Mar 2006, 21:04
imho a keybind like that can not be considered cheating - as is the case with pipe binds
UT already has natural pipe binds what with bio and spidermines and rockets and avril etc being bound to one key
it doesn't give any advantage over others (that they can not themselves set) plus its not that much of a booster in the first place
I mean jumping FOV like that is gonna make you blind! :rolleyes:
enemyanemone
23 Mar 2006, 21:28
lol i think karnu was joking, obviously no one thinks its cheating? Cos afaik the min fov online (max "zoom") is 80 (which would explain why your keybind fov 75 isnt working?..), and you can hardly say fov 80 is "zooming". Just got over the bright skins cheats, didnt you guys :D oh, and if you wanna piss some more people off and start some more potential cheat debates i recomend setting
"[ALAudio.ALAudioSubsystem]
Rolloff= 0.2"
(makes you hear pickup sounds throughout the entire map) and switch off ambient sounds (no thunder on rankin etc..). In Europe they all play with these settings (and even if there is the lock-rolloff mutator on the server it still allows you to set it to 0,3, [default being 0,5] to hear kinda every pickup in a duel... :P
edit: so to answer your question jaymac, try the same keybind with fov 80 and see if it works.
Think of it this way:Using fov as a zoom isnt new, just like all these other .ini settings. If the majority of people considered it "cheats" wormbo (the dude that made antitcc) would've included it in Antitcc. Safe Game also allows it... and those programs were made by members of the community and discussed in forums
cyghost
23 Mar 2006, 21:48
ok then
just seemed like some really considered it cheating and wanted to comment
he he - am all for brightskins myself as my eye sight is not the greatest
as for rolloff=2 that just deafens me but I like to play woth ambient sounds off as that rankin (and other maps) noises surely get in the way of fraggin
enemyanemone
23 Mar 2006, 21:51
ye the thunder just pisses me off. But with no ambient sounds you dont hear the elevator either, if only all the servers would load up the FE-map pack..
Sigh q3 doesnt have these gay "cheat rules" like ut,
Then again most Q3 players play the game in three shades of grey...
IMO piped weapons is not cheating.. would using your mouse to change all weapons be considered cheating?
Sigh q3 doesnt have these gay "cheat rules" like ut, if the command is available, i cant see it being a cheat. Phantom uses the FOV command all the time in Q3 and it aint cheating. I classify a cheat as something an individual can do where by normal u cant, that command is available for every1, use it as u like :)
This was my honest own oppinion, who evea flames me is a fag, so flame ahead :P
Everyone can install an Aimbot too.
Nautilian
24 Mar 2006, 00:29
Everyone can install an Aimbot too.
You forgot wallhax too ;)
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Guys nobody said that you can't use fov changes or change your ambient sounds or whatever. All that I pointed out was that in the competitive environments you are restricted to certain settings. I just stated that so not to misguide any people thinking of going competitive.
Enemyanemone, you are wrong about the rolloff, 99.9% of all gamers do not touch those settings as if you set your ambient to 0 you cannot hear lifts nor hear when somebody comes close to you. More importantly by touching your roll off you also lose all in-game audio positioning!
FOV is personal preference, but just a word of caution, do not go to the extremes as you will put your game completely off!
Naut
Well I consider it cheating, but feel free to use it - i don't think it will help you much.
Purple_H@ze
24 Mar 2006, 09:15
Ok look i dont understand becoz i must be completely fucking backwards... when i went to my first TA lan i was playing on fov 140, and i was hitting evrything in sight. then i had it dropped to 100 and i could hit f'all.
Now i play on fov 10o and everything is cool, when i move to 120 i still hit everything, so as far as accuracy being affected by fov increases goes, I am immune:)
Them pink brightskins are fing cool Naut... and the green crosshair against em works nicely. i for one, will not speak your name...:)
and Karny, karny, karny..... sup dude? lol.lol.lol:)
fov 75 | onrelease fov 115
Smells like an exploit to me (not a hack or anything fancy). If you were supposed to zoom any weapon at will, they would all have little scopes mounted on them.
The fact that it's undesireble is made clear by Epic's disabling of it. Anyone insisting it's not an exploit is on crack - why else would Epic have disabled it.
Its a serverside setting in any case.
GM<Jaymac>MF
24 Mar 2006, 11:55
edit: so to answer your question jaymac, try the same keybind with fov 80 and see if it works.
Thanks EnemyAn, just tried that and it works fine! It also explains why it stopped working, because my user.ini got corrupted during the power trips at the LAN and I had to set everthing up again and coudn't remember how I had it set originally.
And yeah... if the game and the server allows for one to do it... then it's not cheating, IMHO. In any case, it's not like you're doing something that no one else can do. ;)
I classify a cheat as something an individual can do where by normal u cant, that command is available for every1, use it as u like
Everyone can install an Aimbot too.
You forgot wallhax too
I was talkin about a command being built into da game, and an aimbot and wallhax aint really a command that comes with a game, if the game came with it, its kief :P
They are not commands built into the game, or like Shrimp said you'd have sniper scopes on all the weapons and a bind option in the menu. It's an exploit and has been considered so for a very long time, I know this because I did it in UT99 and everyone had hysterics and thats when the servers were made not to allow it.
GM<Jaymac>MF
24 Mar 2006, 13:35
Well, they allow it now... so long as you only go down to FOV 80.
Do you not think that the reason why Epic left the game open to such customisability - was to allow the gamer to set the game up to how he feels comfy? I mean - if we think back to packman days - those were fixed games where you couldn't even make the poor pacman run any faster! And that how they designed the game then. Now they allow such things because it gives the gaming environment such a different edge to it.
I would say - this would be cheating - if doing what Jaymac is doing was "accidently" found out - and nobody would have done it unless they discovered this was a problem with the game - but since Epic programmed it in, and the user can customise - Unless you are in a competition that says - FOV is fixed - its fairplay?
My word this is retarded.
No more GGs from me at the end of any rounds, if people are running around doing shit like this (and if they're doing this, what else must they be doing as well) thinking it's not an exploit.
Everyone can install an Aimbot too.
I think he means it like you don't get an aimbot with the game.. But you do get that command with the game.:P
If you can set it up in the .ini without using third party software, it's not cheating. Furthermore, if the server allows it, and AntiTCC doesn't complain about it, it's definitely not cheating.
I mean that guide by MadHookup tells you how to set up a one-key shield jump - all using bog-standard ini commands. To me that's extreme but hey, you wanna use it go ahead. This FOV change key sounds a great idea. Having yet another key to remember would confuse the crap out of me though, I'd never use it. But to those who do, good for you.
enemyanemone
24 Mar 2006, 23:24
Its preference, thats all. You can change your fov in the menu, just cos you doing it via keybinds doesnt change anything, then every shortcut key would be a cheat.
BMU, I have fov 80 bound to long range weapons and 100 to short range, that way you dont need to switch with a key. But this is seriously just preference, most people can't play like that, with the fov changing all the time. If you think its cheating, try it, you'll probably play worse and switch back to your preferences
Enemyanemone, you are wrong about the rolloff, 99.9% of all gamers do not touch those settings as if you set your ambient to 0 you cannot hear lifts nor hear when somebody comes close to you. More importantly by touching your roll off you also lose all in-game audio positioning!
Naut
Naut, these settings HAVE been common on european servers, I have been playing on them for more than a year now. NOW everyone put ambient sounds back on because all the FE maps got rid of those background noises.
I know about the lift problem, I already said that in my first post, but you dont have to switch off ambient completely, just put it down a bit.
And rolloff is just as common, why do you think there is a roll-off mutator that prevents you from switching it below 0.3? (not banning it completely proves that the majority accepts it). Its really useful in dueling, but I agree when there is more than one other person on the map it gets confusing. So most better players I know bind a key to change rolloff...
I wouldnt rely on some european pro's mailing you their configs :P
I think he means it like you don't get an aimbot with the game.. But you do get that command with the game.:P
And I think I mean you don't get pipeswitches and fov exploits with it either, you put them in just as easily as you install an aimbot.
enemyanemone
24 Mar 2006, 23:41
Cheating discussion topics are useless... lets just leave it at that, I don't want to argue 'bout this stuff, no one should really care.
And I think I mean you don't get pipeswitches and fov exploits with it either, you put them in just as easily as you install an aimbot.
Lol it seems like ur talkin out of experience :P :P
My word this is retarded.
No more GGs from me at the end of any rounds, if people are running around doing shit like this (and if they're doing this, what else must they be doing as well) thinking it's not an exploit.
Glad someone isn't smoking crack.
cyghost
25 Mar 2006, 01:20
he - see I could tell some took this way too serious
an example to illustrate? I struggle to hammerjump (ok ok shield jump for all you who missed UT99) so when I hear about this one keybind to actually do it for you automatically, I was extatic. Finally I too can do the insane jump manouevres.
So I set it up and ... failed miserably. I still couldn't do it and have given up on it completely. And this FOV change! man that would make me go squint-eyed for sure.
but if it works for someone, why take it away from him. You still have to time the powerups (which I can not do), you still have to control the map and you still have to predict where your opponent is and where he is gonne be.
a few keybinds and macros does *not* a champion make - so for you who shudder about the unfair advantages someone has over you simply because you play a *pure* UT, I fully believe your fears are in vain.
Being able to customise the game to such a large extend is a GOOD thing.
True skill only comes form playing the game though.
he - see I could tell some took this way too serious
an example to illustrate? I struggle to hammerjump (ok ok shield jump for all you who missed UT99) so when I hear about this one keybind to actually do it for you automatically, I was extatic. Finally I too can do the insane jump manouevres.
Cheating!
a few keybinds and macros does *not* a champion make - so for you who shudder about the unfair advantages someone has over you simply because you play a *pure* UT, I fully believe your fears are in vain.
Yes but it lets them mini or shock people from the other fucking side of the map with violent acuracy, which is bloody irritating - and its not because they can aim better, its because they have magicaly hacked zooms onto all their guns.
It's a cheat, the end, kthnx, bye.
How about I install an aimbot! With a single keypress, I can kill you! I'll be ecstatic!
And it can't possibly be a cheat if it's not stopped by the anti-cheat software (that stuff is meant for other people anyway), and Epic allow their game to be extended and modded to enable aimbots, so it must be fine.
an example to illustrate? I struggle to hammerjump (ok ok shield jump for all you who missed UT99) so when I hear about this one keybind to actually do it for you automatically, I was extatic. Finally I too can do the insane jump manouevres.
Erm, if you struggle, PRACTICE. How is using a one-press all-in-one key bind going to make you better at the game, or even feel getter about yourself at all.
*grab Red flag in CTF-EternalCaves*
*do one-press Impact jump backwards and out of the base*
"WOW!! I'm leet, did you check that awesome move I just did?!"
How about people practice to improve the stuff they're bad at, and learn some actual skills, rather than whining about how hard it is and how good everyone else is, then setting up some macros to play the game for them.
Play the game for what it is, as it is. Practice, get good, and own based on your own skill, not someone elses skill at discovering ways to exploit the game.
And I think I mean you don't get pipeswitches and fov exploits with it either, you put them in just as easily as you install an aimbot.
Like BMU said.. With an aimbot you have to go download software and install it.
With Pipeswitching you DO get it with the game.. In your .ini..
I cant believe you okes are moaning about this..
*This thread DELIVERS*
...Bullshit:P
Since everyone just keeps repeating the same bullshit to me, and not even looking at Shrimps posts, I'm going to assume that you're being a flaming retard and not even trying to understand the issue here. On that basis, my attempts to exlain why this is unfair, exploitive and basically cheating are over.
[N]Haja
25 Mar 2006, 12:29
installing UT for me is easy.
I load the game, change my keys, put my details to the way I like em, and change the enemy in UT comp to be pink. Easy peasy, the way it should be :P
If you spend more than a weekprogramming your ini, then your cheating :P
For what its worth I`m with Shrimp, Karnaugh and everyone else who agrees with them.
You know sometimes I feel that people on UZA talk at one another not to one another.
A conclusion has been reached three times on this page alone.
The prosecution rests. :P
would you like to know another exploit?
Bind the centerview key, press and hold it when someone is infront of you - instant headshot.
GOOD GAME.... I think not.
cyghost
25 Mar 2006, 12:34
Yes but it lets them mini or shock people from the other fucking side of the map with violent acuracy, which is bloody irritating - and its not because they can aim better, its because they have magicaly hacked zooms onto all their guns.
It's a cheat, the end, kthnx, bye.
erm there is more people who can do this to you without reverting to FOV changes than you would imagine - I think you are over reacting and putting too much stock in the "supposed" advantage it might give a player
I disagree that it is cheating but will respect your opinion on it
kthx, bye :)
Erm, if you struggle, PRACTICE. How is using a one-press all-in-one key bind going to make you better at the game, or even feel getter about yourself at all.
*grab Red flag in CTF-EternalCaves*
*do one-press Impact jump backwards and out of the base*
"WOW!! I'm leet, did you check that awesome move I just did?!"
the point was it didn't help me to use the bind - I just suck at the hammer jump - I still play a mean game of DM tho :P don't do ctf and thus your analogy is beyond me
to ascribe these "keybinds" to be on the same level as an aimbot or wallhax (I still don't know if such a thing exists) seems to border on the redicilous ... then all keybinds become suspect and we should all change weapons with the mouse wheel ...
nuff said from me on this subject then
hf
Of course I know people can shock from across the map, its pretty easy with bright skins (something alot of the {TA} people actualy still consider cheating). The problem is, how do i know now that someone isn't just being a lame cheese and switching their FOV ingame to do it, rather than just learning to aim. Would it be fair to bind a single key dodge? I don't think so. You could even mod a keyboard with an oscilator so you just hold a button and constantly dodge or doublejump around a map, nothing stops you, but it's not fair.
If you think we are being anal about it, perhaps you've never looked at counterstrike.
For their competition rules, there are patches of walls that don't clip bullets built into the game, places where you can shoot underneath a box etc. Even though those are parts of the map - if you use them you are instantly disqualified (there was a big raw about that at WCG 2003).
Just because you can do something, doesn't make it right.
GM<Jaymac>MF
25 Mar 2006, 12:54
Ok... I will agree that it is an exploit. Calling it a hack would be overreacting a little IMHO.
In fact, I am glad I brought it up, because I was completely oblivious to the huge debate surrounding keybinds and pipeswitches. I honestly thought that one could do anything to their User.ini and not suffer some moral or ethical backlash.
However, that said, I am going to stick with my FOV zoom because, honestly, most of us are using pipeswitching or different FOV's per weapon, and to me, it's a similar kind of adjustment. In any case, it doesn't give much of an advantage, but it is a handy thing to have for that once in every ten games that I actually use it.
cyghost
25 Mar 2006, 12:57
bright skins (something alot of the {TA} people actualy still consider cheating).
brightskins is *IN* utcomp mutator made for competitions nuff said
The problem is, how do i know now that someone isn't just being a lame cheese and switching their FOV ingame to do it, rather than just learning to aim.
why would you care? you're still fragged either way ... and being able to make that FOV change while in a batlle takes skill as well, no?
Would it be fair to bind a single key dodge? I don't think so.
why would it be unfair? you think it is going to give an advantage over someone who knows how to move and understands the maps? I doubt it
oh and there are people who does this by the way - just had this discusion on the INA boards as a matter of fact
You could even mod a keyboard with an oscilator so you just hold a button and constantly dodge or doublejump around a map, nothing stops you, but it's not fair.
makes for an easy target imho
If you think we are being anal about it, perhaps you've never looked at counterstrike.
never have never will
For their competition rules, there are patches of walls that don't clip bullets built into the game, places where you can shoot underneath a box etc. Even though those are parts of the map - if you use them you are instantly disqualified (there was a big raw about that at WCG 2003).
never compare UT to Cs again - I'll have to hunt you down and kill you
j/k
Just because you can do something, doesn't make it right.
true enough and well said
but just because you think something is wrong does not make it so either
:peace:
enemyanemone
25 Mar 2006, 13:50
Hm I know I didn't want to argue but, just 1 more post :D
Would it be fair to bind a single key dodge? I don't think so.
Oh yes, something does stop you. Do you really think this hasn't been tried yet?
But the MAJORITY seems to agree this being cheating, so you can't do it. Just like you can't just alter your .ini's any way you like, just like you can't change your netspeed via a keybind more than three times (with safegame).
But you can change fov etc., those who think it's cheating are (at least on int. level) a MINORITY. Of course there were no votes held on this, but i guess, tough luck, isn't it.
Nothing is new or hidden, clear borders have been given. The most obvious thing is to go to the limits of what you are allowed to do. Of course, thats being an asshole in a way, but so is timing shields and DD. All people coming from offline to playing online first ask, not how do you time the shield and DD, but why.
Everyone can count to 5 and 20 so timing those items can hardly be considered skill, it's just being ignorant enough to want an advantage over the other person. Custom crosshairs are also simply implemented to have an advantage others dont have. I remember Naut recomending us the kAus crosshairs download before they were available to everyone in UTcomp. So that would be implementing something extern NOT available to everyone into the game, unlike config settings.
But still if you suck you suck, no config setting within that border will change that --> unlike an aimbot.
GM<Jaymac>MF
25 Mar 2006, 14:53
Hear hear.
enemyanemone
25 Mar 2006, 16:46
Hear hear.
The point not being that by using custom crosshairs he was "cheating" but to show that it comes down to personal preference.
These crosshairs are now available for everybody through the UTcomp menu and you still get your asses kicked by him.
GM<Jaymac>MF
26 Mar 2006, 01:16
I know... and that's why I agree.
So...
Hear hear.
Ragnarok
26 Mar 2006, 08:26
If its in the ini, part of the game, use it. If competitions/servers say you may not use it, then is is cheating.
Rocketjump scripts in Quake 3 for example was not considered a cheat and was allowed in major tourneys, yet some did not allow that script to be used.
If everyone can use it, who gets the advantage? Exactly. If rules does not allow a cmd to be used and some people do use it, well then obviously it's cheating.
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